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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5671466" data-attributes="member: 6957">Piffle.Again, do you honestly think that a paladin, getting ready to smite someone, is going to smite with his fists?If you think that I am being insulting by pointing out that, no, really, he would use his sword, because if he is going to smite then there is no reason not to, then you are being silly. I think that the excuse you are trying to make is a poor one, so I am mocking it, and I think that the excuse deserves it.Why, in the hells, would he not use a sword? He was threatening, yes. Bullying, certainly.Yelling at someone who had endangered lives, caused numerous deaths, property damage, and, hey! comes up evil on Paladin-o-vision. The paladin was grabbing him by the shoulders  - it was a mark of frustration, and anger, yes. Smiting? Horse manure. Think pissed off, but honest, local sheriff, not Dirty Harry.You are making an excuse for him, and rather a lame one at that. I do not for one minute think that you would accept such an excuse if you did not, as DM and for whatever reason, want to allow it, regardless of the truth of the matter.I, for one, would not buy that sorry excuse for a murderer for a dollar.If you want to make rather lame excuses, fine - if it is your game then you can see fit to have it go how you want. But do not expect me to agree with you. It is not going to happen.If you wanted to make a jailbreak adventure out of it, then fine - do it fast, before the execution, but don't expect to hang around town afterwards.Yes, I would have the murderer, and yes, he is a murderer, hanged by the neck until he is dead. I have less of a problem with trying to bust him out than in trying to pretend that the paladin somehow deserved it.If the players were okay with a jailbreak being the last adventure in the campaign, then I would likely allow the attempt, but if they decided to go on a town wide killing spree? Who was that masked man that killed the evil adventurers? The World may never know. But he left these silver bullets....In my settings, executed convicts really are buried in lime pits, at least from the 16th C. on - it was actually fairly standard procedure in the real world. Sometimes in a cardboard coffin, sometimes naught but a shroud.As an aside, it strikes me that the creation of a traditional Hand of Glory would prevent a low level raising of the dead in D&D/Pathfinder. I can see the likes of Jack Ketch selling the hands of the hanged man in a world where magic works.'Now mount who list,And close by the wristSever me quickly the Dead Man's fist!—Now climb who dareWhere he swings in air,And pluck me five locks of the Dead Man's hair!'The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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