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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1832963" data-attributes="member: 5171">FWIW, I agree with the &quot;As long as you're rolling d20+something against a target number or opposed roll, it's d20&quot; statement.&nbsp; As the d20 system gets more options in different areas, you increasingly see cases where systems are both descended from the d20 SRD but are going to be difficult to use together.&nbsp; Putting aside the legal qualifications, an M&amp;M character, a Babylon 5 character, a Spycraft character, and a d20 Modern character built using the corebook and Blood &amp; Vigilance might all be descended from d20, but certainly can't be used together without some extensive tweaking.I don't consider &quot;could pop it over without too much work&quot; to be the most useful definition, since I might be able to pop my M&amp;M character over into Blue Rose without trouble, while my d20 Modern character would have a hard time making the transition, and that d20 Transformers game-character is gonna have a much harder row to hoe.&nbsp; Look at GURPS.&nbsp; As I recall, depending on how many campaign-specific rules you adopted, you could build GURPS characters who would require hours of modification to move from a lighthearted wire-fu action hero game into a military simulationist ideal game with incredibly detailed rules and point classifications -- even if both games took place in a common setting (modern day America, for example).&nbsp; It'd still be GURPS in either case.And I personally love the Damage Save.&nbsp; I don't feel the need to never play anything else again, but it's working well for me right now, and it gets across the feel I like and speeds up game play a fair amount.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="takyris, post: 1832963, member: 5171"] FWIW, I agree with the "As long as you're rolling d20+something against a target number or opposed roll, it's d20" statement. As the d20 system gets more options in different areas, you increasingly see cases where systems are both descended from the d20 SRD but are going to be difficult to use together. Putting aside the legal qualifications, an M&M character, a Babylon 5 character, a Spycraft character, and a d20 Modern character built using the corebook and Blood & Vigilance might all be descended from d20, but certainly can't be used together without some extensive tweaking. I don't consider "could pop it over without too much work" to be the most useful definition, since I might be able to pop my M&M character over into Blue Rose without trouble, while my d20 Modern character would have a hard time making the transition, and that d20 Transformers game-character is gonna have a much harder row to hoe. Look at GURPS. As I recall, depending on how many campaign-specific rules you adopted, you could build GURPS characters who would require hours of modification to move from a lighthearted wire-fu action hero game into a military simulationist ideal game with incredibly detailed rules and point classifications -- even if both games took place in a common setting (modern day America, for example). It'd still be GURPS in either case. And I personally love the Damage Save. I don't feel the need to never play anything else again, but it's working well for me right now, and it gets across the feel I like and speeds up game play a fair amount. [/QUOTE]

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