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<blockquote data-quote="soviet" data-source="post: 8992907" data-attributes="member: 6925338">I don't think that any of this is true. The authorship and control that more story-based games take away from the GM don't give it to the designer, they give it to the players. The notion that D&amp;D with its thousands of pages of rules serves to free up GMs to create their own artistic vision, while indie games with their hundred page digest-sized books are stifling the group with the artistic vision of a distant designer is completely without evidence.Warhammer (assuming you mean the wargame) still involves a lot of player authorship and creativity. It doesn't have to, granted. But many players take a pride in creating conversions, new colour schemes, and unique model builds to express their vision of a particular army idea. Many players also name their characters or units and may create a backstory. In play many people create their own scenarios and campaigns.D&amp;D is popular largely because it was first, and so became the face of the hobby, and so became the de facto industry leader. New players aren't playing D&amp;D because they've performed a comparative analysis of the rules of 5e versus the other roleplaying games in the marketplace and decided it's the superior system, they're playing D&amp;D because D&amp;D is a cultural signifier of these sorts of games and the one available in all the high street bookshops.If Traveller or Runequest had been first to market, do you think D&amp;D would still have become the industry leader?I'm not even going to touch the 'GMs have god complexes' stuff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="soviet, post: 8992907, member: 6925338"] I don't think that any of this is true. The authorship and control that more story-based games take away from the GM don't give it to the designer, they give it to the players. The notion that D&D with its thousands of pages of rules serves to free up GMs to create their own artistic vision, while indie games with their hundred page digest-sized books are stifling the group with the artistic vision of a distant designer is completely without evidence. Warhammer (assuming you mean the wargame) still involves a lot of player authorship and creativity. It doesn't [I]have[/I] to, granted. But many players take a pride in creating conversions, new colour schemes, and unique model builds to express their vision of a particular army idea. Many players also name their characters or units and may create a backstory. In play many people create their own scenarios and campaigns. D&D is popular largely because it was first, and so became the face of the hobby, and so became the de facto industry leader. New players aren't playing D&D because they've performed a comparative analysis of the rules of 5e versus the other roleplaying games in the marketplace and decided it's the superior system, they're playing D&D because D&D is a cultural signifier of these sorts of games and the one available in all the high street bookshops. If Traveller or Runequest had been first to market, do you think D&D would still have become the industry leader? I'm not even going to touch the 'GMs have god complexes' stuff. [/QUOTE]

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