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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8993894" data-attributes="member: 82106">I had great trouble with 5e in that regard. So, for example in our first campaign my character wanted to establish his own 'kingdom'. When he got to the crumbling castle in Phandelver, he immediately decreed he was now its lord by virtue of conquest (nobody disputed him on this). I kept at this, having him send materials, henchmen, guards, etc. to this castle, which the GM ruled was on the edge of civilization. Actually the GM was mostly helpful here, but 5e wasn't particularly. There's just no conceptual framework at all here to build on, beyond "make some ability checks". How many is enough, and what do they accomplish? In a Dungeon World game I would expect that this is less of a problem because, as long as I can describe my goals, I can make a move! Or at worst the GM can frame a more specific scene if she wants to and I can make moves in that. Granted, there's no specific number of these scenes/moves that are required to accomplish a specific thing. Even in DW the 'granularity' is pretty much up to the GM. However, there is at least that set of pesky agenda and principles! So, as the DW GM she has a clear set of things to ask herself. Is this portraying the fantastic world? Is it filling the PC's life with adventure? Is it uncertain (IE do we need to play to find out what happens here)? And then She can use her principles, 'Ask questions, use the answers' seems like an obvious one. 'Think Dangerous' should produce some good results too. 'Be a fan of the characters', so let them try to do their stuff, just don't hand it on a platter. 'Think Offscreen' seems pretty useful, and goes along with the techniques of fronts and such (obviously something is going to threaten my castle rebuilding project!). The 5e version kind of derailed, mostly just because these sorts of obvious guidelines weren't spelled out. My character got yanked away, the GM ruled that we were gone for years (why?) and everything was taken over by someone else in the meantime. It just didn't really make sense in any kind of narrative character-centered way. It was more like the GM was interested in running the setting, not the game or something. 5e has all this 'advice' but it isn't clearly focused on the actual nuts and bolts of play sometimes, and those are surprisingly little documented! This sort of thing might happen in DW, but it would have to be a result of snowballing consequences. Probably where the character would have a chance to prioritize and deal with it (or leave things on a golden platter for the GM to work with).</blockquote>

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