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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 8994588" data-attributes="member: 48965">Can I throw this back at you first... why am I having a fight that isn't narratively important (but dangerous??) if only having narratively important fights is a concern of mine for my game (more importantly why am I expecting a game based off of combat attrition as opposed to narratively important combat) to do this job?&nbsp; D&amp;D is a game of attrition, that's part of it's design... asking how do you do something that is antithetical to its design and default way of play seems odd... especially from someone as concerned about game design as you. It's akin to asking okay I know its natural way of movement is flight but how do I get this Eagle to crawl on all fours... and then declaring that a failure on the Eagle's part because it can't.Now to answer your question... treat it as a hazard/trap since that is essentially what you want with no initiative allowed.&nbsp; Have them make a DC check to &quot;spot&quot; the hazard/impending combatants if there is a chance of surprise... (Those who fail take unavoidable damage based on severity). determine the hazard/combatants severity using traps by level and use the traps DC for each player to make an single check based on their overall actions in the fight in order to avoid taking damage.&nbsp;&nbsp; If they fail they take damage and either way combat ends once each player has made an ability check.&nbsp; This combat will literally be over in 5-7mins... and all I did was use the rules for traps/hazards.But again...why did I want to run a combat in this manner using D&amp;D? Vicious Mockery and Psychic damage would like to have a word with you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 8994588, member: 48965"] Can I throw this back at you first... why am I having a fight that isn't narratively important (but dangerous??) if only having narratively important fights is a concern of mine for my game (more importantly why am I expecting a game based off of combat attrition as opposed to narratively important combat) to do this job? D&D is a game of attrition, that's part of it's design... asking how do you do something that is antithetical to its design and default way of play seems odd... especially from someone as concerned about game design as you. It's akin to asking okay I know its natural way of movement is flight but how do I get this Eagle to crawl on all fours... and then declaring that a failure on the Eagle's part because it can't. Now to answer your question... treat it as a hazard/trap since that is essentially what you want with no initiative allowed. Have them make a DC check to "spot" the hazard/impending combatants if there is a chance of surprise... (Those who fail take unavoidable damage based on severity). determine the hazard/combatants severity using traps by level and use the traps DC for each player to make an single check based on their overall actions in the fight in order to avoid taking damage. If they fail they take damage and either way combat ends once each player has made an ability check. This combat will literally be over in 5-7mins... and all I did was use the rules for traps/hazards. But again...why did I want to run a combat in this manner using D&D? Vicious Mockery and Psychic damage would like to have a word with you. [/QUOTE]

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