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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8994876" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Gee, that makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that I've finally met the keeper of ultimate truth. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Right.&nbsp; The player decided that something relatively important actually happened even though they didn't state that it happened when we were prepping to leave.&nbsp; I understand the flashback scenario as part of a game, I just dislike it unless it's truly trivial stuff.&nbsp; You may not consider it going back in time, but based on the descriptions I've read in other discussions on this topic, I would.Or ... another example.&nbsp; I can't declare that my character has established business connections in the town we're visiting if I haven't previously established that reality with approval from my DM.&nbsp; There is no objective reality in a fictional game so calling something objective is meaningless.&nbsp; Every judgement, every opinion of how well the world is represented and how real if feels can only be subjective.&nbsp; The character affecting the world outside of their actions that can impact the world feels less realistic to me.Preparation ahead of time versus improvising things at the time of the game have nothing to do with DM control.I'm not sure how I can be any clearer.&nbsp; The game world my PC inhabits feels more real if the only impact I have on the ongoing fiction of the world is due to the actions and deeds of my PC.&nbsp; I enjoy the game more, it feels more logical, if the DM controls the fiction of the world.&nbsp; It doesn't change whether I'm the DM or playing a PC.Depending on the campaign, as a player I have an impact on the world outside of my PC is when I'm establishing my character's background story.&nbsp; Even then, I make proposals and the DM makes the final call.&nbsp; There may be times when I ask for additional clarification for the description of the world (i.e. &quot;Is there a blacksmith in town?&quot;) but that's not changing the fiction of the world, it's just the DM deciding if something they didn't include in the description really does exist.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8994876, member: 6801845"] Gee, that makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that I've finally met the keeper of ultimate truth. ;) Right. The player decided that something relatively important actually happened even though they didn't state that it happened when we were prepping to leave. I understand the flashback scenario as part of a game, I just dislike it unless it's truly trivial stuff. You may not consider it going back in time, but based on the descriptions I've read in other discussions on this topic, I would. Or ... another example. I can't declare that my character has established business connections in the town we're visiting if I haven't previously established that reality with approval from my DM. There is no objective reality in a fictional game so calling something objective is meaningless. Every judgement, every opinion of how well the world is represented and how real if feels can only be subjective. The character affecting the world outside of their actions that can impact the world feels less realistic to me. Preparation ahead of time versus improvising things at the time of the game have nothing to do with DM control. I'm not sure how I can be any clearer. The game world my PC inhabits feels more real if the only impact I have on the ongoing fiction of the world is due to the actions and deeds of my PC. I enjoy the game more, it feels more logical, if the DM controls the fiction of the world. It doesn't change whether I'm the DM or playing a PC. Depending on the campaign, as a player I have an impact on the world outside of my PC is when I'm establishing my character's background story. Even then, I make proposals and the DM makes the final call. There may be times when I ask for additional clarification for the description of the world (i.e. "Is there a blacksmith in town?") but that's not changing the fiction of the world, it's just the DM deciding if something they didn't include in the description really does exist. [/QUOTE]

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