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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8995366" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Dude, I shouldn't bother getting into these discussions,&nbsp; it's not worth it. This is not a PbtA forum,&nbsp; it's a D&amp;D forum. I don't want to be insulting but I am never going to use terminology you accept. I may have seen the term &quot;front&quot; in the rules but that doesn't mean it really jelled.&nbsp; If you can't accept that phrases like &quot;the soft move made by the GM as part of framing&quot; is word salad to people who don't play DW enough to have it engrained then I'm not sure what to tell you.The language usage barrier just gets too much in the way on a forum like this. It's just leading to a frustrating sort-of conversation. For example when I tried to talk about how you declare the actions the character is taking in DW feels artificial to me (based on my reading of the rules) you responded with something about moves and only D&amp;D has actions.&nbsp; Except I wasn't talking about actions in D&amp;D terms, I was attempting to use plain English, action as &quot;My character does something.&quot;&nbsp; Which, yes, in DW is a &quot;move&quot; but that is a very specific game term.&nbsp; It's a redefinition of the standard meaning.I've explained multiple times why I prefer D&amp;D's approach of the DM controlling the world and players interacting with that world via their PC and only their PC.&nbsp; When I DM I don't think in terms of framing, narrative or &quot;moves&quot;.&nbsp; As a DM I set up the world and it's denizens, as a PC I just say what I do.&nbsp; Occasionally we get into <s>geek speak </s>game specific terminology as one of our friends who's a newbie recently pointed out.&nbsp; But when we do it tends to be more abbreviations and shortcuts than anything.&nbsp; DW works for you, I've read enough rules and examples to know that it wouldn't work for me.&nbsp; That doesn't make either approach better or worse.&nbsp; It's also pointless because I simply don't speak your language.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8995366, member: 6801845"] Dude, I shouldn't bother getting into these discussions, it's not worth it. This is not a PbtA forum, it's a D&D forum. I don't want to be insulting but I am never going to use terminology you accept. I may have seen the term "front" in the rules but that doesn't mean it really jelled. If you can't accept that phrases like "the soft move made by the GM as part of framing" is word salad to people who don't play DW enough to have it engrained then I'm not sure what to tell you. The language usage barrier just gets too much in the way on a forum like this. It's just leading to a frustrating sort-of conversation. For example when I tried to talk about how you declare the actions the character is taking in DW feels artificial to me (based on my reading of the rules) you responded with something about moves and only D&D has actions. Except I wasn't talking about actions in D&D terms, I was attempting to use plain English, action as "My character does something." Which, yes, in DW is a "move" but that is a very specific game term. It's a redefinition of the standard meaning. I've explained multiple times why I prefer D&D's approach of the DM controlling the world and players interacting with that world via their PC and only their PC. When I DM I don't think in terms of framing, narrative or "moves". As a DM I set up the world and it's denizens, as a PC I just say what I do. Occasionally we get into [S]geek speak [/S]game specific terminology as one of our friends who's a newbie recently pointed out. But when we do it tends to be more abbreviations and shortcuts than anything. DW works for you, I've read enough rules and examples to know that it wouldn't work for me. That doesn't make either approach better or worse. It's also pointless because I simply don't speak your language. 🤷‍♂️ [/QUOTE]

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