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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8996440" data-attributes="member: 7023840">The big disconnect that people have in these conversations, and the source of such ... lack of mutual comprehension, is here.At a fundamental level, there are those who truly believe that the rules necessarily should dictate the play. That, um, the rules matter. Which is a totally valid way of looking at it.On the other hand, you could have the following three scenarios:I'm playing AD&amp;D 2e, but we don't use dice.I'm playing 5e, but we've adopted skill challenges and a homebrew Warlord to make it play a lot more like 4e.I'm playing OD&amp;D, but the party is currently on another plane involved with Superheroes.All of these, and more, fall under the rubric of &quot;playing D&amp;D.&quot; In fact, this diversity in playing is precisely why we avoid &quot;One True Way-ism&quot; on the forum. So the idea that Dungeon World can somehow encompass the &quot;best practices&quot; of playing D&amp;D is not just incorrect to some of us, it is laughably wrong- which is why many of us bounce right off of it. That doesn't make it bad! It's a perfectly great experience ... if that's the exact experience you are looking for. I am quite sure that DW is a great experience for those looking for that exact experience! But it illustrates the fundamental divide and the frustration in these conversations. It's just people talking past each other. It's why you get people claiming that D&amp;D has to be this (it MUST be a Moldvay map &amp; key system!) or that (it MUST be a dungeon crawl) in order to compare it to some other ruleset, without the understanding that D&amp;D's differences come up not in the design, per se, but in the application in play.IMO, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8996440, member: 7023840"] The big disconnect that people have in these conversations, and the source of such ... lack of mutual comprehension, is here. At a fundamental level, there are those who truly believe that the rules necessarily should dictate the play. That, um, the rules matter. Which is a totally valid way of looking at it. On the other hand, you could have the following three scenarios: [I]I'm playing AD&D 2e, but we don't use dice. I'm playing 5e, but we've adopted skill challenges and a homebrew Warlord to make it play a lot more like 4e. I'm playing OD&D, but the party is currently on another plane involved with Superheroes[/I]. All of these, and more, fall under the rubric of "playing D&D." In fact, this diversity in playing is precisely why we avoid "One True Way-ism" on the forum. So the idea that Dungeon World can somehow encompass the "best practices" of playing D&D is not just incorrect to some of us, it is laughably wrong- which is why many of us bounce right off of it. That doesn't make it bad! It's a perfectly great experience ... if that's the [I]exact experience you are looking for[/I]. I am quite sure that DW is a great experience for those looking for that exact experience! But it illustrates the fundamental divide and the frustration in these conversations. It's just people talking past each other. It's why you get people claiming that D&D has to be this (it MUST be a Moldvay map & key system!) or that (it MUST be a dungeon crawl) in order to compare it to some other ruleset, without the understanding that D&D's differences come up not in the design, [I]per se[/I], but in the application in play. IMO, etc. [/QUOTE]

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