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<blockquote data-quote="gorice" data-source="post: 8996768" data-attributes="member: 7032863">This is turning into a bunch of tangents within tangents, so I'm going to try and clarify my position rather than argue details.On the big question: I've never played GURPS, so I have no idea. My crucial point is that, if you read the actual text, different editions of D&amp;D are very different games. Like, comparing b/x, 4e and 5e, their procedures and expectations for play are incompatible. A bunch of 5e kids bringing their beloved OCs into a b/x meatgrinder are going to have a very bad time. So, if you want to say that it's all just D&amp;D and I'm being pedantic, I want to know what you think D&amp;D really is. What is the core of D&amp;D? When does something become, or cease to be, D&amp;D?On improv, prep, and railroads: I want to be clear that other people's prep (maps, monsters, generators) is still prep, as far as I'm concerned. I never run published adventures, but they are arguably one of the main official teaching tools -- and what they teach is railroady trad play. You can do different things with 5e (I certainly have), but this gets back to the main question of when 5e is 5e. If I had a dollar for every time someone insisted that they used 5e for dungeon crawls, and then explained how they removed half the game and added a whole new set of rules in order to actually play...[edit] I suppose I should give my own definition of when a game is not itself. Which is... When the procedures of play and experience of play are no longer the same? Something like that?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gorice, post: 8996768, member: 7032863"] This is turning into a bunch of tangents within tangents, so I'm going to try and clarify my position rather than argue details. On the big question: I've never played GURPS, so I have no idea. My crucial point is that, if you read the actual text, different editions of D&D are very different games. Like, comparing b/x, 4e and 5e, their procedures and expectations for play are incompatible. A bunch of 5e kids bringing their beloved OCs into a b/x meatgrinder are going to have a very bad time. So, if you want to say that it's all just D&D and I'm being pedantic, I want to know what you think D&D really is. What is the core of D&D? When does something become, or cease to be, D&D? On improv, prep, and railroads: I want to be clear that other people's prep (maps, monsters, generators) is still prep, as far as I'm concerned. I never run published adventures, but they are arguably one of the main official teaching tools -- and what they teach is railroady trad play. You [I]can [/I]do different things with 5e (I certainly have), but this gets back to the main question of when 5e is 5e. If I had a dollar for every time someone insisted that they used 5e for dungeon crawls, and then explained how they removed half the game and added a whole new set of rules in order to actually play... [edit] I suppose I should give my own definition of when a game is not itself. Which is... When the procedures of play and experience of play are no longer the same? Something like that? [/QUOTE]

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