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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8999037" data-attributes="member: 71699">I like this turning of the principle to show its implications.When I first read the Czege principle it was readily obvious how it applies when I'm playing a character. It's more fun if someone else controls the adversities with which I am faced.It was less obvious how it applies when I'm controlling the adversities (e.g. GM). It's more fun if someone else controls the resolution of those adversities.------------------------------Some comments regarding 5e, for the sake of discussion...One way I approach 5e is to present problems and not solutions, and to constrain consequences by the situation (current fictional position, what we've established as true up to now including things that are true off-camera) and what players describe (what their character does, which per the rules they uniquely control, and what they have said is true about themselves.) That's part of my reluctance to introduce anything retroactively (not foretold) into a resolution. There's a nuance here that creating a new problem can be a consequence that stays neatly on the adversity side of the fence. That's leveraged in Torchbearer 2.There is scope to follow 5e RAW closely on players describing what their characters do. It can be read that it's not up to DM to say (for instance) how the dwarf failed to persuade the chancellor. However, 5e RAW gets in the way of letting the dwarf player add to the fiction something that better fits what they would describe, e.g. rain. Many folk have admired the practice of players narrating their crits. My impression of both RAW and norms is that the dwarf might well describe how they succeed or fail (i.e. what their character does), but describing the environment remains with DM. Put together with what I have just said above, rain would only be properly part of the resolution (in 5e) if it introduced a new problem or was strictly colour. In the DMG are rules for when to introduce new problems as part of a resolution.</blockquote>

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