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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Gryphon" data-source="post: 1541518" data-attributes="member: 17286">Only 85 labourers was of course a reference to how little they cost in the grand scheme of things, not to whether or not it's a large amount of work in a small amount of time <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> To use the device more than once a week for building [the equivalent of 300 mandays of work], you'd have to be somewhat skilled with the device as you need to make a DC 18 Perform (stringed instrument) check. So we're down to half the labourers without a skill check anyway, thus halving the discount to 15% instead of 30%. Obviously course the innkeeper COULD build the inn himself, but as with most projects it probably didn't start out this grand especially in a small village. For example, the future innkeeper builds himself a house in a small village at little cost as he provides all of the labour himself, getting his own materials or trading services with others who can do the work, thus keeping costs to a minimum. A few travellers pass through looking for somewhere to sleep and eat, he provides a bed and meal. They give him a few coins and he decides he can make a living at this with a little work. He keeps feeding travellers passing through while enlarging his house as above. Eventually he has an inn which has taken him 5 years to build at little direct cost [he may owe a few favours and a few villagers may drink for free]. If instead he'd hired craftsmen build it, it may have cost 10,000gp and only taken a month or two.  Even land may cost nothing if you're building in wilderness ruled by no-one, or a land where the laws aren't strongly enforced. The Stronghold Builder's Guidebook doesn't include land in the building price anyway, that has to be gained independantly. The 30% labour, unskilled construction labour would probably be a better desription, is of course a general listing. It assumes you're getting prepared materials delivered to the construction site. As I see the lyre, it's an item that provides the muscle for building [the unskilled labour which carries, digs, hauls, etc.]. Therefore it wouldn't help with cutting, quarrying, or similarly skilled situations. You could of course hire the relevant skilled workers to cut or mine in those sites thus reducing costs, but this isn't the same sort of labour as above. It just means you're paying for the materials at the extraction stage instead of the retail stage. Consideration must be given to the fact that costs listed in the PHB, the Stronghold Builder's Guidebook, and most other sources are for a finished product being sold to those that won't or can't do for themselves [the retail stage of a purchase]. You only have to look at how we live today to see how that works <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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