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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CRGreathouse" data-source="post: 403262" data-attributes="member: 474">No matter if I'm a fan or a detractor (actually, I'm in the middle, leaning toward 'fan' -- but that's neither here nor there), his system is both uncommon and unportable.Uncommon: Most people who play D&D don't use this system.  In fact, I'm sure less than 0.1% of those who play D&D use this system.  Surely that's not 'common' in your book!Unportable: The changes that U_K's system makes to the base game assign new meanings to existing terms.  "CR", "ECL", "AC", and to a lesser extent "hp" are all changed.  An ELH CR 41 Devistation Spider is not CR 41 in U_K's system, nor is an ECL 32 leShay ECL 32 in U_K's system.  U_K's advocation of a change in natural armor (re: various outsiders) changes the system even further.All in all, his system -- while good -- fails to be backward-compatible.  This is fine, but makes it hard to port other d20 material into an IH game.  As it stands, I may not want to buy a copy (sorry, Upper_Krust) because it would void much of my existing D&D 'library'.The only problem?  I don't think even U_K would be willing to go so far.What you claim is that while the system fails on levels 1-4, it works perfectly on levels 5 and up.  Can I then take a static template and add it to a level 5 character and add it to a level 50 character and have the same ECL effect?  Is this demonstratable true for all templates/abilities?  Of course not.If all abilities must be judged on a static scale rather than a dynamic one, drow and half-fiends (for example) couldn't have static CR/ECL modifiers.  Do you adocate changing their ECL/CR as they gain levels?This makes me think of the Matrix: "They are guarding all the doors.  They are holding all the keys."Get off your high horse.I have no reason to trust the results of a system that is clearly invalid.  You speak haughtily, but your positions are baseless.I thought low-level ECLs were "the ONLY problem with the system we have yet to work out."?</blockquote>

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