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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 403625" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi CRGreathouse mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I have to admit to feeling somewhat uncomfortable when I saw Anubis use such terminology. While I appreciate people who are interested in the ideas behind the Immortals Handbook (the Challenge Rating Article being merely one such idea) I usually identify fandom with a substantial body of work - something my limited (to date) musings don't really add up to. I think Anubis in his over-enthusiasm failed to notice the classic 'appeal to authority' backbone of his argument.Uncommon, yes. Unportable, no (I have read below and I see you have a few misleading impressions of my work - which I'll address in turn). Easy mistakes to make - I often ramble on about somesuch here on the boards (hit points and armour class etc.) - however these are generally not associated with the Immortals Handbook. Challenge Ratings are the same. Effective Class Levels is taken literally rather than liberally.  Actually no. While I have discussed the problems inherant in these particular rules (often as part of 4th Edition commentaries) I have never officially advocated changing them within the d20 System - to do so simply snowballs the number of changes you have to make.  Its true I don't agree with a number of WotCs CRs/ECLs. Actually no. That was some visible brainstorming that I conducted and planned to advocate as an optional rule - however (as I mentioned above) making one such change   Everything in the IH is compatible with the d20 System. Even the CR/ECL article was taken from an Appendix (ie. its optional, though advocated)  No other d20 material even attempts to explain the necessary Challenge Ratings (in this case Gods; Divinity). When I came to detail them it was obvious the current rules noticeably breakdown the higher above 20th-level you ascend - a point I have proven in the past as fact.The ECL System was designed as a byproduct to the CR Modifier. Hence it is not crucial to the Immortals Handbook but rather something DMs and Players can use whenever their deities (whether PCs or NPCs) want to create or modify a character or monster.That in itself is okay mate...however, it seems you have a number of misconceptions as to the content and nature of my work - in part I must obviously be to blame for such confusion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></blockquote>

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