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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 404301" data-attributes="member: 2358">I'm gonna go out on a limb here and try to answer this . . . Most of the MM is accurate; demons, devils, dragons, and celestials present the most problems, along with titans and Tarrasque.  The others are pretty much okay.As for the ELH, however, I think I can say with 90% certainty that few, if any, of the listed CRs are correct.First you must remember that the ELH goes on the base system of 4 PCs of Level X should face CR X.  This system changes that by basing CR for PCs AND monsters on ECL.  That is the major change.By the core system and the system in the ELH, a CR 40 creature should be a challenge for four Level 40 PCs.  By the revised system, however, a CR 40 creature is a challenge for a CR 40 party, which is a party of four PCs of Levels 80-87.  Check out Asgard 6 or my revised ECL thread for details.UK and I have very similar systems, for good reason, because all the work has been done together here in the forums.A firm no here.  The curve by the book is linear.  The curve of the new system flattens out gradually.  In the core system, Level 1 is CR 1, Level 20 is CR 20, Level 40 is CR 40.  By the new system, Level 1 is CR 1, Level 20 is CR 20, Level 40 is CR 30.  And so on and so forth.Look, I'm sorry if I come off as a bit brash sometimes, but unlike UK, I get frustrated when hard work that has already pretty much been finalized gets called "the stupidest thing I've ever heard" by someone who hasn't even tested it.  (I know that wasn't you, but you're in that general group.)Unlike UK, however, I am starting to believe that the new system can't work at lower levels.  Personally, in the MM, I would only use it for celestials, demons, devils, dragons, and other such powerful creatures that are severely underestimated.  Everything in the ELH is subject to mutilation, however.How they rate Devastation Vermin over the Xixical is beyond me . . .</blockquote>

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