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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8250248" data-attributes="member: 93670">Its especially obnoxious in this case because they<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">A: have one class with a gold consuming class ability</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">B Have a wide range of spells with hardcoded gp component value</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">C&nbsp; Insist on providing pricing numbers.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">D Declare &quot;magic items are optional&quot; seemingly without understanding or at east not accepting the important role they played in <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/post-8243611" target="_blank">past editions</a> as even rising to the level of &quot;valid fun&quot;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">E Design the <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BGyYy9W5Vf9xeNyIrTrJog9YdkJOTImyhmklvdKKMtI/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">math</a> for everything to be balanced against &quot;but what of the gm decides there are no magic items.[<a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThinkOfTheChildren" target="_blank">think of the fighter</a>]&quot; without much consideration&nbsp; for how magic items change things or seeming to even realize that magic items affect different classes and archetypes different in objectively tangible levels</li>
</ul>C makes a hash of everything else as is.&nbsp; Providing A &amp; B the WBL they need on some level would be admitting that coding so strictly in support of D&amp;E were quixotic at best.&nbsp; Providing a WBL that supports E&nbsp; would be admitting that wotc's own guidance in the matter up till now is reprehensible. Doing either would reveal how problematic streamlining everything in support of D while saying &quot;but you can homebrew stuff&quot;&nbsp; was when the system is setup to fight any attempts to change that.&nbsp; The baby step of a babystep optional rules &amp; caster focused magic items in tcoe made it pretty clear that wotc's not ready to make the changes needed to make a WBL chart without magnifying the consequences of ill considered decisions made in 5e itself.&nbsp;&nbsp; They could maybe fix A&amp;B with an alternate currency like magic stones or something, but that runs into trouble because the spell component costs are largely a holdover from past editions with things like WBL &amp; even rules for pricing scrolls/spellbook access as an almost mundane activity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8250248, member: 93670"] Its especially obnoxious in this case because they [LIST] [*]A: have one class with a gold consuming class ability [*]B Have a wide range of spells with hardcoded gp component value [*]C Insist on providing pricing numbers. [*]D Declare "magic items are [I]optional[/I]" seemingly without understanding or at east not accepting the important role they played in [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/post-8243611']past editions[/URL] as even rising to the level of "valid fun" [*]E Design the [URL='https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BGyYy9W5Vf9xeNyIrTrJog9YdkJOTImyhmklvdKKMtI/edit?usp=sharing']math[/URL] for everything to be balanced against "but what of the gm decides there are no magic items.[[URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThinkOfTheChildren']think of the fighter[/URL]]" without much consideration for how magic items change things or seeming to even realize that magic items affect different classes and archetypes different in objectively tangible levels [/LIST] C makes a hash of everything else as is. Providing A & B the WBL they need on some level would be admitting that coding so strictly in support of D&E were quixotic at best. Providing a WBL that supports E would be admitting that wotc's own guidance in the matter up till now is reprehensible. Doing either would reveal how problematic streamlining everything in support of D while saying "but you can homebrew stuff" was when the system is setup to fight any attempts to change that. The baby step of a babystep optional rules & caster focused magic items in tcoe made it pretty clear that wotc's not ready to make the changes needed to make a WBL chart without magnifying the consequences of ill considered decisions made in 5e itself. They could maybe fix A&B with an alternate currency like magic stones or something, but that runs into trouble because the spell component costs are largely a holdover from past editions with things like WBL & even rules for pricing scrolls/spellbook access as an almost mundane activity. [/QUOTE]

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