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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6731784" data-attributes="member: 87792">No. I simply think that your question is a silly one.The 4e warlord has more toys than the 5e wizard - there are more 4e warlord powers than 5e spells period. It doesn't need most of them. It does however need certain abilities.It does however need a range of broad capabilities. And until that range of broad capabilities challenges any of the primary spellcasters at all the things they can do (which the Warlord doesn't even come close to doing) it is severe double standards to claim that the request is for too many toys.Can the cleric do everything requested for the warlord by means of spells? Yes. Can the warlord call down fire from the heavens or cast miracle? No. Therefore calling the warlord the kitchen sinker is utterly risible.</blockquote>