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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 8369228" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>All right! You have, perhaps, the "best" person at replying this kind of question. There are questions that need answer here: </p><p></p><p>1: How much gold is 201 million, physically? Is this even possible?</p><p></p><p>2: How much gold is 201 million, <em>economically</em>? Can the dwarves realistically "save" 1 million gold a year?</p><p></p><p>1 is easy. The "default" weight for coins in D&D is 50 coins a pound... but historically, that's a big high. So let's modify that to 100 coins a pound. 201 million gold is thus 2.01 (so 2) million pounds or 1000 ton of gold. So <em>physically</em> this is not an incredible amount - it's not a lump of gold bigger than a mountain or something ridiculous like that (actual volume, if it was a solid block, is about 53 cubic meters, roughly speaking).</p><p></p><p>Is this possible? Well the california gold rush produced about 3700 tons of gold, so as long as the vein is quite rich, 1000 tons is not an insane amount.</p><p></p><p>2: The economics.</p><p></p><p>Now that's a challenge. Basically, you want to know if it's realistic for a community to save 1 million gp per year. Thankfully for you, I've already done the math:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://slugsandsilver.blogspot.com/2018/08/reasonable-rewards.html[/URL]</p><p></p><p>this is pretty complicated (only go to the link if you feel like doing math ha) but basically in an "ordinary" community, the average citizen contributes 22 gp in taxes to the community. And about 10% of <em>that</em> is available for use by the community in case of a serious threat- guards have to be paid, roads maintained etc.</p><p></p><p>so 15 000 * 10% * 22 gp = 33 000 gp/year... This is <em>not</em> good.</p><p></p><p>However, this is for an ordinary town, not a GOLD MINE. So let's check assumptions etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>a: A dwarven gold mine can be a <em>very</em> wealthy place. I would <em>at least</em> triple the base amount. so the 33 000 becomes 66 000 gp</p><p></p><p>b: I assumed that the default community had to play taxes to some overlord somewhere else (say, the king). Dwarven communities are usually <em>preeety</em> independent, so this money transfer outside the community isn't happening and I would therefore double the tax basin. </p><p></p><p>But this extra money is "more" available than the baseline tax (90% of which is devoted to "running" the community). So instead of only 10% being available, let us say that 80% is available (the rest is to pay for security for the huge fortune)</p><p></p><p>so 15 000 * 80%*22*3 = 792 000 gp</p><p></p><p>We are now near the million GP/year mark. So you are good to go!</p><p></p><p>I think the problem of course is why hasn't a dragon come in and claimed the fortune <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 8369228, member: 23"] All right! You have, perhaps, the "best" person at replying this kind of question. There are questions that need answer here: 1: How much gold is 201 million, physically? Is this even possible? 2: How much gold is 201 million, [I]economically[/I]? Can the dwarves realistically "save" 1 million gold a year? 1 is easy. The "default" weight for coins in D&D is 50 coins a pound... but historically, that's a big high. So let's modify that to 100 coins a pound. 201 million gold is thus 2.01 (so 2) million pounds or 1000 ton of gold. So [I]physically[/I] this is not an incredible amount - it's not a lump of gold bigger than a mountain or something ridiculous like that (actual volume, if it was a solid block, is about 53 cubic meters, roughly speaking). Is this possible? Well the california gold rush produced about 3700 tons of gold, so as long as the vein is quite rich, 1000 tons is not an insane amount. 2: The economics. Now that's a challenge. Basically, you want to know if it's realistic for a community to save 1 million gp per year. Thankfully for you, I've already done the math: [URL unfurl="true"]https://slugsandsilver.blogspot.com/2018/08/reasonable-rewards.html[/URL] this is pretty complicated (only go to the link if you feel like doing math ha) but basically in an "ordinary" community, the average citizen contributes 22 gp in taxes to the community. And about 10% of [I]that[/I] is available for use by the community in case of a serious threat- guards have to be paid, roads maintained etc. so 15 000 * 10% * 22 gp = 33 000 gp/year... This is [I]not[/I] good. However, this is for an ordinary town, not a GOLD MINE. So let's check assumptions etc. a: A dwarven gold mine can be a [I]very[/I] wealthy place. I would [I]at least[/I] triple the base amount. so the 33 000 becomes 66 000 gp b: I assumed that the default community had to play taxes to some overlord somewhere else (say, the king). Dwarven communities are usually [I]preeety[/I] independent, so this money transfer outside the community isn't happening and I would therefore double the tax basin. But this extra money is "more" available than the baseline tax (90% of which is devoted to "running" the community). So instead of only 10% being available, let us say that 80% is available (the rest is to pay for security for the huge fortune) so 15 000 * 80%*22*3 = 792 000 gp We are now near the million GP/year mark. So you are good to go! I think the problem of course is why hasn't a dragon come in and claimed the fortune :D [/QUOTE]
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