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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 2264135" data-attributes="member: 30001">Yea, we agree on that.&nbsp; I think I'm clear on what you were saying now - that there were certain individuals that escaped taxes so that the average would not be 50%.&nbsp; I was thinking of the obligation of yeoman to maintain arms and armor that would balance out against their freedoms with regards to not having to work the lord's fields and such.&nbsp; But what you're saying is that the % paid in taxes is tied to custom and agreement rather than free/unfree status, which agrees with what I've read.&nbsp;So from what I can tell, you're suggesting that manor income be derived in a sort of &quot;backwards&quot; way.&nbsp; Figure out what a manor needs to break even and figure from there.&nbsp; Make d20 rolls against a reeve's or bailiff's skill check.&nbsp; I suppose a DM needs to make a list of what he thinks are manorial expenses and figure the income from there.&nbsp;I've read dozens of books about the two-three field system and the other details of medieval economics until my eyes glazed over (which is quickly).&nbsp; Just last night I skimmed a used book I recently purchased on &quot;social and economic history&quot; of medieval Europe.&nbsp;&nbsp; The chapter on the manorial system says - &quot;we basically don't know how much money these guys made from their manors&quot;.&nbsp; Disappointing from a game perspective.&nbsp; And surprising, considering all of the &quot;manorial rolls&quot; that are supposedly available with this information.&nbsp; I've seen the information in these rolls reproduced within books, but I've never seen a &quot;big picture&quot; analysis of just what people were spending and what they were making.&nbsp; About all I know is that peasants were drinking a gallon of beer a day.&nbsp; Hmmm.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 2264135, member: 30001"] Yea, we agree on that. I think I'm clear on what you were saying now - that there were certain individuals that escaped taxes so that the average would not be 50%. I was thinking of the obligation of yeoman to maintain arms and armor that would balance out against their freedoms with regards to not having to work the lord's fields and such. But what you're saying is that the % paid in taxes is tied to custom and agreement rather than free/unfree status, which agrees with what I've read. So from what I can tell, you're suggesting that manor income be derived in a sort of "backwards" way. Figure out what a manor needs to break even and figure from there. Make d20 rolls against a reeve's or bailiff's skill check. I suppose a DM needs to make a list of what he thinks are manorial expenses and figure the income from there. I've read dozens of books about the two-three field system and the other details of medieval economics until my eyes glazed over (which is quickly). Just last night I skimmed a used book I recently purchased on "social and economic history" of medieval Europe. The chapter on the manorial system says - "we basically don't know how much money these guys made from their manors". Disappointing from a game perspective. And surprising, considering all of the "manorial rolls" that are supposedly available with this information. I've seen the information in these rolls reproduced within books, but I've never seen a "big picture" analysis of just what people were spending and what they were making. About all I know is that peasants were drinking a gallon of beer a day. Hmmm. [/QUOTE]

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