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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8179804" data-attributes="member: 83242">Perhaps you don't understand what is meant when people say a monster is just a "bag of hit points." That description has less to do with the number of hit points than it has to do with what the monster can do.  Does the monster have interesting things to do, can it threaten the PCs, etc. 5e monsters do not have significantly more HP (and often less) than 3e or 4e, both of which did not have BA. However, what 5e monsters are accused of is not being able to threaten PCs (you hear a lot of complaints that their CR is wrong / they aren't tough enough for their CR) and that they simply have basic attacks. That is why some claim 5e monsters are "bag of hit points," and it has nothing to do with BA.FYI, this was also a claim in 4e, which didn't have BA.  The issue is monster design, not BAEDIT: and if you want to see a bunch of 5e monsters that are not just a bag of hit points, you can go here: <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/5e-updates-mythic-epic-and-hardcore-monsters.672508/post-8004360" target="_blank">5e Hardcore Monsters</a>. A bunch of DMG compliant monsters by myself and others that do more.</blockquote>