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<blockquote data-quote="Laurefindel" data-source="post: 8180128" data-attributes="member: 67296"><p>AC, to hit bonus, saves, and hp are all interlinked; so yes there is a direct tie, obviously.</p><p></p><p>Your statement about bounded accuracy's goal to stop the escalation treadmill race between attack bonuses and higher ACs is correct.</p><p></p><p>The hp bloat compensation however, isn't, at least not over the whole range of creatures. Most "monstrous" humanoid (orcs, goblins, gnolls etc) have more hp than their 3e counterparts because in parallel to bounded accuracy, 5e moved away from the symmetry between PC and "monsters". The basic orc is not a level 1 warrior with 13,12,11,10,9,8 array and orc traits anymore; it's a 2 hit dice creature with no class levels and a custom stat array.</p><p></p><p>Most other creatures are within 3-7 hp of one another in both editions. A hill giant in 5e has about the same hp (105hp) as 3e version (102 hp), but an attack bonus of +8 (5e )instead of +20 (3.5), and a AC of 13 (5e) vs 20 (3.5). An adult red dragon also have similar hp (256 for 5e vs 253 for 3.5). So assuming their AC went down proportionally to how the PC's attack bonus went down, they remain virtually the same threat. No bloat here.</p><p></p><p>At least not since 2000. Perhaps you feel their hp are bloated compared to that of the PCs, or compared to their fighting abilities? That is perhaps the case, but the introduction of bounded accuracy didn't prompt the hp of monsters to go higher than their previous iterations in the last two editions preceding this one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Laurefindel, post: 8180128, member: 67296"] AC, to hit bonus, saves, and hp are all interlinked; so yes there is a direct tie, obviously. Your statement about bounded accuracy's goal to stop the escalation treadmill race between attack bonuses and higher ACs is correct. The hp bloat compensation however, isn't, at least not over the whole range of creatures. Most "monstrous" humanoid (orcs, goblins, gnolls etc) have more hp than their 3e counterparts because in parallel to bounded accuracy, 5e moved away from the symmetry between PC and "monsters". The basic orc is not a level 1 warrior with 13,12,11,10,9,8 array and orc traits anymore; it's a 2 hit dice creature with no class levels and a custom stat array. Most other creatures are within 3-7 hp of one another in both editions. A hill giant in 5e has about the same hp (105hp) as 3e version (102 hp), but an attack bonus of +8 (5e )instead of +20 (3.5), and a AC of 13 (5e) vs 20 (3.5). An adult red dragon also have similar hp (256 for 5e vs 253 for 3.5). So assuming their AC went down proportionally to how the PC's attack bonus went down, they remain virtually the same threat. No bloat here. At least not since 2000. Perhaps you feel their hp are bloated compared to that of the PCs, or compared to their fighting abilities? That is perhaps the case, but the introduction of bounded accuracy didn't prompt the hp of monsters to go higher than their previous iterations in the last two editions preceding this one. [/QUOTE]
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