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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8180980" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>Ya, that has nothing to do with magic item design which was the discussion I was referring too.</p><p></p><p>However, I would argue an increase in HP =/= bloat. I fully concede that some HP increase, but that isn't the same as "bloat" That is the conclusion I am saying is wrong, not that 22 is greater than 16.</p><p></p><p>Ok, some math for you, red dragons:</p><p></p><p>3.5e ancient red dragon: 527 HP</p><p>3.5e GW red dragon (the most powerful): 660 HP</p><p>4e ancient red dragon (the most powerful): 1,390 HP</p><p>5e ancient red dragon (the most powerful): 546 HP</p><p></p><p>5e has the least HP for its most powerful dragon. That is HP contraction, the math supports my assessment.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Since you mentioned Zombies</p><p></p><p>3,5e Medium zombie: 16 - 29 HP</p><p>4e Medium zombie: 40-71 HP</p><p>5e Medium zombie: 22</p><p></p><p>Hmm, seems like less HP escalation and more like cherry picking on your part</p><p></p><p>PS. I will agree right now that some 3e monsters have less HP than their 5e equivalents. But I will also emphatically state that does not mean the increase in HP is "bloat."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 8180980, member: 83242"] Ya, that has nothing to do with magic item design which was the discussion I was referring too. However, I would argue an increase in HP =/= bloat. I fully concede that some HP increase, but that isn't the same as "bloat" That is the conclusion I am saying is wrong, not that 22 is greater than 16. Ok, some math for you, red dragons: 3.5e ancient red dragon: 527 HP 3.5e GW red dragon (the most powerful): 660 HP 4e ancient red dragon (the most powerful): 1,390 HP 5e ancient red dragon (the most powerful): 546 HP 5e has the least HP for its most powerful dragon. That is HP contraction, the math supports my assessment. EDIT: Since you mentioned Zombies 3,5e Medium zombie: 16 - 29 HP 4e Medium zombie: 40-71 HP 5e Medium zombie: 22 Hmm, seems like less HP escalation and more like cherry picking on your part PS. I will agree right now that some 3e monsters have less HP than their 5e equivalents. But I will also emphatically state that does not mean the increase in HP is "bloat." [/QUOTE]
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