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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nazhkandrias" data-source="post: 3431480" data-attributes="member: 50521">Well, if you caught them unaware, they'd most likely sizzle before they had a chance to avoid getting killed, thus eliminating that little source of noise. Shouts of triumph are optional, I think, so that's not an issue. Granted, the sound of dropped shields and armor might make a bit of a racket, but it's in a desert. The sand will muffle the sound of anything being dropped. I don't think that you can hear a small "Whumph" through a stone wall.I don't follow your logic. Why would two walls spaced apart be harder to hear through than a big honkin' wall of the same width? I think that that distance modifier WOULD apply, but I think that the wall would be more than a +16. Think about it; if you press your ear up to a 5 foot thick stone wall, odds are, you can hear a battle (Listen DC 5). A 10 foot thick stone wall? Sorry, but you aren't going to hear a thing through that (Listen DC SHOULD be 20, even for a battle). A 10 foot thick stone wall is worth more than DC +1 to a 5 foot thick stone wall any way you look at it. We can only assume that the measurement is for a 5 foot thick wall, since a +15 modifier seems to be about right in terms of real life. A 10 foot thick one would be a +31 modifier (+30 for 10 feet of stone, +1 for 10 feet of distance), totalling to a Listen DC of 21. The guards inside are probably taking 10 on their Listen checks, so they wouldn't even hear a battle outside if they tried. I doubt that the average guard has a good Wis score and a lot of ranks in Listen.Exactly how loud does the verbal component have to be? Not sure if there's a rule for this. I suppose that it could be muttered or whispered, as long as the words get across. Either way, there's still a stone wall to deal with. 10 foot thick? Listen DC of 31. Ouch. Not even a high level PC is going to hear THAT while taking 10.And even if BZZZZZZZZRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNTTZZZZZZ counts as a sound as loud as a battle, see above. The way I see it, through a 10 foot stone wall, taking 10 just won't do it.</blockquote>

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