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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nisarg" data-source="post: 2142166" data-attributes="member: 19893">I don't believe that to be the case. Hell, D&D 3.x is less complicated than MERP, and MERP is a rules-lite version of RM!While you choose to ignore the various other systems that can, collectively, account for every mechanic you claim was "taken" from RM. Systems that the designers of 3.x DO credit with being a direct influence.   The argument for claiming Ars Magica as a direct influence on D&D is quite a bit stronger, for instance, than that of RM. Likewise, you could consider that it would be common sense that the largest influence on D&D would be... D&D.Having read both HARP and RM, it appears to me that HARP is significantly less complicated than RM. Trust me that coming from me its a compliment...So its more like saying that Blue Rose is a "rules lite" version of D&D. I find it amusing that you seem to equate the word "lite" with "bad". Most people may or may not be (I would presume the person who started the thread to be). But RM-fanatics, and, say, the guy who designed the current "inheritor" to RM, might have just a bit of a vested interest in trying to claim that D&D ripped off RM. I could imagine that say, someone who designed the "Heir Apparent to Rolemaster Presently" would be particularly interested in being able to claim such a connection, as it would make it easier to convince people to try out his own system.  That wouldn't be a problem if it weren't a deception, but unfortunately claiming such a connection is no more true than claiming that say, BRP or GURPS or any other pre-existing system was an influence on D20 (and a lot less true than claiming that a few games like Ars Magica or Gamma World 4th were influences).I don't know where you get the idea that Monte Cook, who would be the writer in question here, was one of my "idols" (he isn't, though within gaming you could certainly say Jonathan Tweet is), or why you think that your claims, even if they were true, would in any way "impugn" him. Nisarg</blockquote>

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