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<blockquote data-quote="Underman" data-source="post: 5985277" data-attributes="member: 6696705"><p>From a social contract POV, that's like your wife asking you to take out the garbage, so you put the garbage outside the front door, and she says "why didn't you put it in the garbage can?!" and you say "being such an obvious loophole to me feels like I'm trying to make up for you having <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />ed up in an extremely obvious way". Which is not to say that a wife's request is the same as a game designer's rule, but that justifying your own optimized lifestyle supersedes an implied social contract.</p><p></p><p>I'll bite. Firstly, the wizard has to have that high wisdom. Probably some lucky insight to even consider the Triton of all things as a candidate for summoning. Then the intelligence and monster lore to know that Tritons can summon Thoqquas. Even so, the wizard may assume that the summoning aura interferes with other summoning magic. And while you're at it, roleplay your 18 Wis 18 Int wizard expressing his doubts about risking his life on adventures and isn't it worth considering retiring from adventuring to do something with a higher profit to risk ratio because it's not as if he's a puppet having his strings jerked around forcing him to go on crazy adventures.</p><p></p><p>Or perhaps it's like those amazing movies where you could have poked holes in the plot like "Why didn't they use that thingamagic in that scene?" but you don't because you don't want to sound like a party-pooper amongst your friends, and the movie still deserves an 8.9 out of 10 on imdb.</p><p></p><p>Not that it matters because the rule says summoned monsters cannot summon. One could arrive at the same conclusion according to the social contract and putting less emphasis on the metagame priorities. That's a player's prerogative. I just don't want that kind of prerogative resulting in my wife resorting to anal-retentive conversations with me because she no longer trusts me to do the right thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Underman, post: 5985277, member: 6696705"] From a social contract POV, that's like your wife asking you to take out the garbage, so you put the garbage outside the front door, and she says "why didn't you put it in the garbage can?!" and you say "being such an obvious loophole to me feels like I'm trying to make up for you having :):):):)ed up in an extremely obvious way". Which is not to say that a wife's request is the same as a game designer's rule, but that justifying your own optimized lifestyle supersedes an implied social contract. I'll bite. Firstly, the wizard has to have that high wisdom. Probably some lucky insight to even consider the Triton of all things as a candidate for summoning. Then the intelligence and monster lore to know that Tritons can summon Thoqquas. Even so, the wizard may assume that the summoning aura interferes with other summoning magic. And while you're at it, roleplay your 18 Wis 18 Int wizard expressing his doubts about risking his life on adventures and isn't it worth considering retiring from adventuring to do something with a higher profit to risk ratio because it's not as if he's a puppet having his strings jerked around forcing him to go on crazy adventures. Or perhaps it's like those amazing movies where you could have poked holes in the plot like "Why didn't they use that thingamagic in that scene?" but you don't because you don't want to sound like a party-pooper amongst your friends, and the movie still deserves an 8.9 out of 10 on imdb. Not that it matters because the rule says summoned monsters cannot summon. One could arrive at the same conclusion according to the social contract and putting less emphasis on the metagame priorities. That's a player's prerogative. I just don't want that kind of prerogative resulting in my wife resorting to anal-retentive conversations with me because she no longer trusts me to do the right thing. [/QUOTE]
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