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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 5986640" data-attributes="member: 6698278">It doesn't have to be linear.  It is though an accurate in game meter for how close you are to dying.  So there is nothing dissociative about it.  It may be an abstraction and it may be unrealistic but that has nothing to do with dissociation.   It's why the older editions worked.  Hit points meant what they meant for each group as they chose.  In my campaigns the heroic part was when the PCs fought despite injuries.  YMMV.  In 4e they shattered this whole notion and of course ruined the game for tons of people.  4e chose a side.  The minority side in my opinion.  And basically threw everyone else overboard assuming we'd just accept all these changes.  We did dive overboard and swam to other games.   It's just sad that D&D the flag ship of my style of play until 4e should just suddenly change.  I hope 13th Age or some other 4e clone can make your style happy if 5e doesn't.  But yeah if it comes down to pre-4e style D&D or 4e style D&D surving then I choose pre.  Pre has been around a lot longer and has a larger fanbase.</blockquote>