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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5989379" data-attributes="member: 996">There's some really good stuff there, check it out sometime.That's not what either of us were talking about, though (and, really, Gandalf is the equivalent of an NPC, a source of exposition and the occassional Deus ex Machichina, not a protagonist).What we were talking about was the relative desireability of fighters vs casters.  I found one example (and it's not the only one) of a successful all-caster campaign in 3.x, if, indeed, non-casters are at not great disadvantage in that edition, then it shouldn't be any harder for you to find an existing example of an equally successful all-martial campaign.  I figure 'additive' is what we get /during/ a run.  The core comes out, supplements add to it until it collapses under it's won weight.  I'd like a long run for every ed like the one 1e had: over 10 years, and not that much over 10 books. (MM, PH, DMG, FF, Dieties&Demigods, UA, WSG, DSG, MM2, OA - am I forgetting anything?).  A real quality hardcover book a year, rather than a dashed out book a month.  I'm sure that's impossible from a business perspective, though.If you're not going to make fundamental changes with a new ed, when would you make them?  I don't think D&D has ever been so perfect that there wasn't some very real potential for fundamental change to improve it.A ready-made rationalization is a thing of beauty.  And, like I've said twice to no avail, there's an underlying real mechanical distinction that's being talked around.  The whole 'dissociative' pitch, is just a very snarkily-intellectual way of saying you don't like that difference, though.  Another variation on "it's not really an RPG."  Or your own Monopoly reference, where you basically say anyone who prefers 4e isn't a real gamer, with just the commitment to D&D that a kid playing Monopoly has.  On the other side, there's the conclusion that anyone wanting Vancian is just on a power-trip with their god-wizard, or that Pathfinder is exactly 3.5, or whatever.Ad Hominems and Straw Men all around, that's the edition war.  Nothing for the winners nor the losers to be too proud of.</blockquote>

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