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Message: <blockquote data-quote="timASW" data-source="post: 6015031" data-attributes="member: 6698787">1. You missed the part where in the golem section it says that all golems are immune to magical and supernatural effects unless otherwise noted. Grease? Covers a 10 foot area and has a DC10 balance check. Maybe you slowed him down. For one round, or 2. AND? You didnt win. You slowed him down. Web? Must be anchored to 2 diametrically opposed points within 20ft of each other. Making it pretty much only useful in small corridors. And even then it doesnt beat the golem, it slows it for a round or two. A strength check lets you move 5 feet for every 5 points by which you beat a DC10 on a STR check. Most golems have no problem rolling a 15 or 20 on a STR check and gain it only affects a 20 foot area. Glitterdust? In the MM do you see a weakness to glitterdust listed in any golems description? I dont. That means it doesnt work. See part 1. Black tentacles can grapple them but cant actually HURT anything but a flesh golem. And that not very much. So... you've slowed it down, and mildly annoyed the flesh golem. How do you actually WIN? So far you didnt hurt squat and certianly didnt defeat them. This is the biggest problem with people bagging on 3e. They never bothered to learn its rules and make mistakes. Then judge the system based on their mistakes.</blockquote>