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<blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 3630238" data-attributes="member: 22882">All of the above, because all of those are awesome and belong in a setting I'd want to play, either as common features, the results of a mad genius's forbidden research, or the fruits of antediluvian superscience.But then, I am not interested in a conception of &quot;fantasy&quot; so lacking in the fantastic that it is defined by what cannot be included.The worlds of pulp fantasy and sword and sorcery could include any and all of those things.&nbsp; In large numbers?&nbsp; Perhaps not, though the closely related sword and planet genre often encompassed them, along with ray guns and spaceships.&nbsp; Certainly one or two mechanical or superscience trinkets, either newly fashioned or unearthed from bygone ages, would fit in Conan's world as well as John Carter's.The Bas Lag setting from Perdido Street Station is fantasy to me; so is the setting from Final Fantasy 6.&nbsp; Both have all of the listed elements; both are ALSO explicitly steampunk.&nbsp; One does not preclude the other.Unless by &quot;fantasy&quot; you mean tired Tolkienesque tropes that were the way the were for narrative and ideological reasons in the Lord of the Rings and have been unblinkingly aped by unimaginative fantasists since.&nbsp; In which case none of the above fit - and neither, thank God, do I.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoogleEmpMog, post: 3630238, member: 22882"] All of the above, because all of those are awesome and belong in a setting I'd want to play, either as common features, the results of a mad genius's forbidden research, or the fruits of antediluvian superscience. But then, I am not interested in a conception of "fantasy" so lacking in the fantastic that it is defined by what cannot be included. The worlds of pulp fantasy and sword and sorcery could include any and all of those things. In large numbers? Perhaps not, though the closely related sword and planet genre often encompassed them, along with ray guns and spaceships. Certainly one or two mechanical or superscience trinkets, either newly fashioned or unearthed from bygone ages, would fit in Conan's world as well as John Carter's. The Bas Lag setting from Perdido Street Station is fantasy to me; so is the setting from Final Fantasy 6. Both have all of the listed elements; both are ALSO explicitly steampunk. One does not preclude the other. Unless by "fantasy" you mean tired Tolkienesque tropes that were the way the were for narrative and ideological reasons in the Lord of the Rings and have been unblinkingly aped by unimaginative fantasists since. In which case none of the above fit - and neither, thank God, do I. [/QUOTE]

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