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Message: <blockquote data-quote="weem" data-source="post: 5163926" data-attributes="member: 9470">I chose...4. A better way: See post....even though I don't really think this is a BETTER way, this is simply my thought process (out loud) on making a call on the spot (and no other option matches that closer in the poll)......for me, I would call it as a DM myself based on the circumstances instead of using a hardset rule.I looked through the compendium a bit to see if it could help me come to quicker answer in play, and this is all I could muster during a quick look..."Natural" (Glossary) as it relates to creatures/monsters = Natural creatures are native to the natural world."Native to the natural world"...To me, the cave (or any cave really) is a natural environment. Just because you needed a shovel or pick to get there (in some cases), doesn't make it less natural. Just because you can now fly because of a new power, does not make the tree top you can now access unnatural. These places existed before you were able to access them.I think, at least for me, the line is drawn when you feel like the natural aspect , or living aspect of these environments are "dead".What I mean is, a Druid (for example) might draw power from, or gain power based on the power of nature around him/her. To them, nature is a living breathing thing. Not just animals, insects and plants, but stone, trees, dirt, etc.And what you are trying to determine is, when does that natural power fade - or in other words, when does this nature "die" in effect. When would someone like a Druid say, "this place is dead" or is beyond the healing power of any other living creature.So I would say again, as a DM I would make this call on the spot. I would be sure to let the player know ahead of time so as not to waste anything that may rely on it. They may ask, "is this a natural environment" for example, and I might say....- "This cavern was once flowing with life, but it's long abuse my mankind over many years has pushed back any remaining natural essences"or- "Though man has caused much harm here in these many months, the essence of life remains, albeit in a weakened state"Take things into consideration really quick such as "how long as this cave been used by man, what tools were used? careful digging, or explosives? etc. I think that I could give an answer to a player pretty quickly in this way by taking into consideration the situation at hand. A set in stone ruling for this just wouldn't work for me.</blockquote>

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