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How often do your Paladins actually violate their Oaths?
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<blockquote data-quote="ccs" data-source="post: 7821688" data-attributes="member: 6803664"><p>Not counting the games played during the grade school/high school years, and not counting ones <em>I've</em> played....</p><p></p><p>I'm surprised whenever a Paladin doesn't fall. </p><p></p><p>Now about 1/2 of those <em>were</em> played by my late friend Sean. </p><p>Whatever the edition, he really had 3 character types he'd play; Human Paladins, 1/2elf Rangers, & Elven Wizards. 99% of all the characters he played in the 25+ years we knew each other were one of those 3. Of those the Paladin was by far his favorite class.</p><p>Unfortunately he was <em>really really </em>astoundingly bad at playing Paladins. So bad in fact that he managed to fall in games where: </p><p><strong>A)</strong> We'd discussed it & determined that he did not want to play the fallen arc, </p><p><strong>B)</strong> The DM wasn't interested in running that arc & wasn't running anything designed to entice him to fall. There were no hidden "Gotchas!" </p><p><strong>C)</strong> He wasn't playing with DMs whom he didn't know their styles/preferences/opinions/etc</p><p> All he ever had to do was <em>be the good guy</em>. With a magic sword. Shouldn't have been too hard, he was a pretty good guy IRL. And yet somehow.... </p><p></p><p>Other than Sean's Paladins....</p><p>I've been a player in numerous games where the DM was deliberately trying to maneuver the Paladin into falling. Most of those Paladins fell.</p><p>I've seen 4 cases where the player intentionally had their Paladin fall.</p><p>Some have fallen because the player & DM had differing ideas concerning the oaths/restriction, didn't communicate, & the DM has final say on the matter.</p><p>But most? They fall because they choose to try & ignore the oaths/restrictions. They want the perks of the class & don't think there'll actually be any consequences because of RP choices they make. They object loudly as they discover they're wrong. </p><p></p><p>Most of these paladins never succeed in their redemption efforts (if attempted).</p><p></p><p>Every now & then though I see a Paladin who doesn't fall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ccs, post: 7821688, member: 6803664"] Not counting the games played during the grade school/high school years, and not counting ones [I]I've[/I] played.... I'm surprised whenever a Paladin doesn't fall. Now about 1/2 of those [I]were[/I] played by my late friend Sean. Whatever the edition, he really had 3 character types he'd play; Human Paladins, 1/2elf Rangers, & Elven Wizards. 99% of all the characters he played in the 25+ years we knew each other were one of those 3. Of those the Paladin was by far his favorite class. Unfortunately he was [I]really really [/I]astoundingly[I] [/I]bad at playing Paladins. So bad in fact that he managed to fall in games where: [B]A)[/B] We'd discussed it & determined that he did not want to play the fallen arc, [B]B)[/B] The DM wasn't interested in running that arc & wasn't running anything designed to entice him to fall. There were no hidden "Gotchas!" [B]C)[/B] He wasn't playing with DMs whom he didn't know their styles/preferences/opinions/etc All he ever had to do was [I]be the good guy[/I]. With a magic sword. Shouldn't have been too hard, he was a pretty good guy IRL. And yet somehow.... Other than Sean's Paladins.... I've been a player in numerous games where the DM was deliberately trying to maneuver the Paladin into falling. Most of those Paladins fell. I've seen 4 cases where the player intentionally had their Paladin fall. Some have fallen because the player & DM had differing ideas concerning the oaths/restriction, didn't communicate, & the DM has final say on the matter. But most? They fall because they choose to try & ignore the oaths/restrictions. They want the perks of the class & don't think there'll actually be any consequences because of RP choices they make. They object loudly as they discover they're wrong. Most of these paladins never succeed in their redemption efforts (if attempted). Every now & then though I see a Paladin who doesn't fall. [/QUOTE]
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