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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9534625" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I wasn't the one you replied to, but I would like to address each of these points.A: That's not realistic for a lot of players. Even in an actively "positive and fun environment" is not always the place for that to happen. As an example, one of my players has intense social anxiety. It's basically impossible for him to interrupt other people while they're speaking, for example, even when they're people he knows really well. He is getting better, but it is an incredibly slow process. If I forced him to always give 110% for social effort, he would simply abandon the game.B: Why are you treating it as "resorting to numbers alone"? It is perfectly reasonable to leverage all sorts of things from one's character's rules. As an example, I would expect any Ranger to know a thing or two about hunting, even if they don't actually have Nature proficiency.C: It is entirely possible--likely, even!--for a player to play someone they aren't like at all IRL. A bon vivant playboy when they're actually a shy and reclusive homebody. Or perhaps a player who didn't do well in school wants to play a Wizard. Nothing wrong with that. I don't see why these players should be continuously punished for the mere desire to play outside of their wheelhouse by constantly demanding of them Broadway-level acting, Green Beret-level situational awareness, Renaissance man-level creativity, etc., etc. There's a VAST excluded middle here between "absolutely everything MUST come from the player's skill and NOTHING ELSE EVER!!!!@!!!!!!!!!@!!@!@!@111!!@!1!" and "LITERALLY only and always EXCLUSIVELY looking at the character sheet and making bald, empty declarations with NO roleplay or thought or strategy."Finally: Why is it that social things, it's so goddamn awful for players to mention numbers, but with attacks and spells, well by gosh by golly, ANY use of those things is perfectly fine!</blockquote>

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