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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9534648" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Precisely.[USER=7048249]@adrianthebard[/USER]: Do you genuinely believe that a D&amp;D game that doesn't include deaths that are (again, specifically all three of) random, AND permanent, AND irrevocable, is literally just instant-win no-threat no-effort absolutely 100% always?Random meaning caused by crap luck, not because of a stupid decision that was specifically called out for being a stupid decision, nor for intentionally going up against an opponent the player knows is extremely dangerous, nor for making a heroic last stand etc. Permanent meaning the death isn't going to &quot;go away on its own&quot; (like what happened to Gandalf), but is instead just how things are gonna be from now on. And irrevocable meaning that the players can't do anything to fix the death. Any death that lacks any one of these properties (e.g. it isn't random, or it isn't permanent, or it isn't irrevocable) is a-okay by me, and I've put in a lot of effort to ensure that nearly all potential deaths would be either not permanent or not irrevocable.So, to ask the question again: When I ONLY excise deaths that are random, AND permanent, AND irrevocable, do you really, genuinely believe that that one change suddenly turns everything into an instant-win no-effort experience?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9534648, member: 6790260"] Precisely. [USER=7048249]@adrianthebard[/USER]: Do you [I]genuinely[/I] believe that a D&D game that doesn't include deaths that are (again, [I]specifically all three[/I] of) random, AND permanent, AND irrevocable, is literally just instant-win no-threat no-effort absolutely 100% always? Random meaning caused by crap luck, not because of a stupid decision that was specifically called out for being a stupid decision, nor for intentionally going up against an opponent the player knows is extremely dangerous, nor for making a heroic last stand etc. Permanent meaning the death isn't going to "go away on its own" (like what happened to Gandalf), but is instead just how things are gonna be from now on. And irrevocable meaning that the players can't [I]do[/I] anything to fix the death. Any death that lacks any one of these properties (e.g. it isn't random, or it isn't permanent, or it isn't irrevocable) is a-okay by me, and I've put in a [I]lot[/I] of effort to ensure that nearly all potential deaths would be either not permanent or not irrevocable. So, to ask the question again: When I ONLY excise deaths that are random, AND permanent, AND irrevocable, do you [I]really[/I], genuinely believe that that one change suddenly turns everything into an instant-win no-effort experience? [/QUOTE]

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