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<blockquote data-quote="prabe" data-source="post: 9534868" data-attributes="member: 7016699"><p>[USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] has explained his meaning/s enough times that I have the explanation memorized: &quot;Permanent&quot; means it won't go away on its own and &quot;irrevocable&quot; means the players can't change it once it happens; I think it's a different way of getting to my point that it's &quot;make a new character&quot; as a consequence; and probably also consistent with my approach in the games I run that the fights the PCs stumble into/over very probably won't kill them but the fights they go looking for just might (in my case, I'm treating &quot;looking for a fight&quot; as &quot;accepting that death is on the table&quot;). In the games I was running this month where the parties nearly wiped, they were in places where other people didn't know where they were, fighting things that would probably have destroyed the bodied one way or another. Handwaving an NPC bringing them back to life somewhere would have been ... not really a sustainable choice, in the narrative. But the PCs didn't die, even the 19th-level party after both healers got dropped.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="prabe, post: 9534868, member: 7016699"] [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] has explained his meaning/s enough times that I have the explanation memorized: "Permanent" means it won't go away on its own and "irrevocable" means the players can't change it once it happens; I think it's a different way of getting to my point that it's "make a new character" as a consequence; and probably also consistent with my approach in the games I run that the fights the PCs stumble into/over very probably won't kill them but the fights they go looking for just might (in my case, I'm treating "looking for a fight" as "accepting that death is on the table"). In the games I was running this month where the parties nearly wiped, they were in places where other people didn't know where they were, fighting things that would probably have destroyed the bodied one way or another. Handwaving an NPC bringing them back to life somewhere would have been ... not really a sustainable choice, in the narrative. But the PCs didn't die, even the 19th-level party after both healers got dropped. [/QUOTE]

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