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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9544196" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I have changed more than one person's mind. I have even provided new insight to someone in this very thread (the conversation with Micah over verisimilitude, and whether/when it is worthwhile to &quot;spend&quot; it for some other goal).It isn't a fast change, that much is certain. But it happens. And if people like me all did as you say, nobody would ever do the things we want to see. Even if I personally never see any fruits of this labor, I am content sowing seeds that someone else may reap the benefits from.Not really. As an example, I too had my perspective widened on alternative possibilities to achieve certain ends (in this case, a gentler introduction for fresh players). I did not ultimately change my mind, but that doesn't mean I got nothing out of the conversation. In the best cases, I get quite a lot out. In the worst, it's a pretty high noise to signal ratio, but there's rarely nothing I gain from it.I'm sorry to hear that. (I seem to remember you mentioned this before--I believe we had exchanged commiserations, since I lost my father back in 2023.) Given the context, your empathy and concern are touching and I truly appreciate your desire to look out for your fellow man.Given you seem bothered by my wordiness:I'm just saying, using X does not mean liking every single characteristic of X. This forum has a VERY bad habit of arguing: &quot;Well, people play X. X has trait Y. Therefore, players must really like Y.&quot; That's false. The argument isn't valid. I gave two examples, one real-world and generic (pockets on women's clothing), one real-world and specific to D&amp;D 5e based on WotC's own internal data.If your argument is merely &quot;Well, lots of people play X, therefore they must like everything about X,&quot; your argument is invalid and I have no reason to accept any of the conclusions you drew from it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9544196, member: 6790260"] I have changed more than one person's mind. I have even provided new insight to someone in this very thread (the conversation with Micah over verisimilitude, and whether/when it is worthwhile to "spend" it for some other goal). It isn't a [I]fast[/I] change, that much is certain. But it happens. And if people like me all did as you say, nobody would ever do the things we want to see. Even if I personally never see any fruits of this labor, I am content sowing seeds that someone else may reap the benefits from. Not really. As an example, I too had my perspective widened on alternative possibilities to achieve certain ends (in this case, a gentler introduction for fresh players). I did not [I]ultimately[/I] change my mind, but that doesn't mean I got nothing out of the conversation. In the best cases, I get quite a lot out. In the worst, it's a pretty high noise to signal ratio, but there's rarely [I]nothing[/I] I gain from it. I'm sorry to hear that. (I seem to remember you mentioned this before--I believe we had exchanged commiserations, since I lost my father back in 2023.) Given the context, your empathy and concern are touching and I truly appreciate your desire to look out for your fellow man. Given you seem bothered by my wordiness: I'm just saying, using X does not mean liking every single characteristic of X. This forum has a VERY bad habit of arguing: "Well, people play X. X has trait Y. Therefore, players must really like Y." That's false. The argument isn't valid. I gave two examples, one real-world and generic (pockets on women's clothing), one real-world and specific to D&D 5e based on WotC's own internal data. If your argument is [I]merely[/I] "Well, lots of people play X, therefore they must like everything about X," your argument is invalid and I have no reason to accept any of the conclusions you drew from it. [/QUOTE]

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