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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9544707" data-attributes="member: 6790260">You've just made the argument circular. It's verboten because the DM decides it's verboten, but the DM doesn't decide the other is verboten because the DM doesn't decide to. Why are these two things given different standards? Why is disruptiveness as a result of player agency totally unacceptable with setting (frankly, game design is 99% irrelevant here), but totally sacrosanct with behavior? Give me an argument that doesn't boil down to "DM says", an argument that actually justifies why player-agency-caused disruption is unacceptable in one arena but must be absolutely protected in the other....which is exactly the problem I keep noting to you. Being rational means choosing boredom; choosing excitement means choosing frequent, severe failure.What if we did something where the choice wasn't failure vs boredom, but rather...y'know, anything else? What is gained by forcing a "be cool but fail, or be boring but succeed" choice? How is that better than cultivating choices where all of the options are interesting, just in different ways?I don't have any other friends who play.Not really. Just means adjusting my DM approach. Which isn't hard. It's occasionally frustrating, but show me a DM who doesn't occasionally get frustrated by their players and I'll show you a liar.This would have zero positive effects. Genuinely nothing productive, not even laughter, would arise from doing this.I am absolutely against fudging, for any reason, ever. Even if I weren't, the system I use involves all player-action rolls being made in the open. I can't do the thing you've described with Dungeon World.You're dodging the fundamental issue: The very thing you've claimed bothers you is what this attitude encourages doing. That's the key problem here. Encouraging ultra-mercenary, purely-selfish behavior IS encouraging people to abandon their erstwhile allies the moment the pecuniary calculus indicates that there's more moolah to be made by doing so.</blockquote>

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