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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9548465" data-attributes="member: 29398">&quot;... in general, where you think players want it to go&quot;, more properly.I just want the PCs to be an integral part of the setting they live in, rather than somehow removed or remote from it.Looking at them, listening to them, etc. an observer in the setting shouldn't be able to distinguish a PC Elf from an NPC Elf assuming those Elves are of the same class, age, abilities, etc.; because if they can be so distinguished just because one of them is a PC you might as well throw setting integrity out the window.I think it's more that they're told to want heroic characters and can't or won't go against the marketing.&nbsp; To me, that's just a bucketful of sad.They still start out as ordinary Joes and Janes, though; because - however you define it - heroism of any kind comes from what you do rather than who you are.Flip side: the PCs could be special-powered edge-cases all day long and still not be heroes, depending what they actually use all that special-ness to do.&nbsp; Which means, in the end, that the ordinary-Joe-and-Jane-ness of the PCs is completely tangential to their degree of heroism.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9548465, member: 29398"] "... in general, where [B]you think[/B] players want it to go", more properly. I just want the PCs to be an integral part of the setting they live in, rather than somehow removed or remote from it. Looking at them, listening to them, etc. an observer in the setting shouldn't be able to distinguish a PC Elf from an NPC Elf assuming those Elves are of the same class, age, abilities, etc.; because if they [B]can[/B] be so distinguished just because one of them is a PC you might as well throw setting integrity out the window. I think it's more that they're told to want heroic characters and can't or won't go against the marketing. To me, that's just a bucketful of sad. They still start out as ordinary Joes and Janes, though; because - however you define it - heroism of any kind comes from [I]what you do[/I] rather than who you are. Flip side: the PCs could be special-powered edge-cases all day long and still not be heroes, depending what they actually use all that special-ness to do. Which means, in the end, that the ordinary-Joe-and-Jane-ness of the PCs is completely tangential to their degree of heroism. [/QUOTE]

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