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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9548760" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>I...don't recall doing so, but perhaps I did. Were you meaning the economy-of-verisimilitude thing? I don't consider that a play preference violated. Instead, I consider it one where even someone who highly prizes verisimilitude, like yourself, understands that it is not a <em>totally</em> unalloyed good. Sort of like medicine. One <em>could</em> conduct medicine purely as an optimization of number of days alive, but few doctors would ever pursue such a thing, because, to riff on a quote from Aslan, “But length of days with[out joy or fulfillment] is only length of misery” (from <em>The Magician's Nephew</em>). Instead, at least the way I see it, on the subject of verisimilitude I have (successfully?) persuaded you that it is a means seeking an end, rather than an end in itself, and that there are times (rare ones, but times nonetheless) where a different means produces a <em>slightly</em> superior end.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Is it? You are the one who has made a blanket provision: <strong><em>nothing</em></strong> except what the dice say can be permitted. You <em>specifically</em> cited even the DM overriding the dice as being an unacceptable intrusion. But now it's okay, whenever the DM feels like it? That's the contradiction I'm seeing here.</p><p></p><p>You already know how much I dislike fudging. I'm not criticizing an anti-fudging stance. I'm just deeply confused, because you have made such a strong and <em>absolute</em> stance against anything interfering with, for lack of a better term, the "procedure engine" of the world. So to then not only back away from that--despite using its absoluteness <em>as</em> the argument in more than one case--but to do so in a way that so casually says, "Yeah, DM can kinda do whatever they want" is just flabbergasting to me. It would be like if I, with my own absolute stance against fudging (I don't do it, I don't want any of my DMs to do it, and I argue against its use pretty much anywhere I talk about D&D stuff), said "but DMs can alter monster stats on the fly, that's fine." Like...that's no longer at all an absolute stance! You are, it seems, completely okay with people interfering with the procedure engine of the world, so long as it's done where you can't directly see it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9548760, member: 6790260"] I...don't recall doing so, but perhaps I did. Were you meaning the economy-of-verisimilitude thing? I don't consider that a play preference violated. Instead, I consider it one where even someone who highly prizes verisimilitude, like yourself, understands that it is not a [I]totally[/I] unalloyed good. Sort of like medicine. One [I]could[/I] conduct medicine purely as an optimization of number of days alive, but few doctors would ever pursue such a thing, because, to riff on a quote from Aslan, “But length of days with[out joy or fulfillment] is only length of misery” (from [I]The Magician's Nephew[/I]). Instead, at least the way I see it, on the subject of verisimilitude I have (successfully?) persuaded you that it is a means seeking an end, rather than an end in itself, and that there are times (rare ones, but times nonetheless) where a different means produces a [I]slightly[/I] superior end. Is it? You are the one who has made a blanket provision: [B][I]nothing[/I][/B] except what the dice say can be permitted. You [I]specifically[/I] cited even the DM overriding the dice as being an unacceptable intrusion. But now it's okay, whenever the DM feels like it? That's the contradiction I'm seeing here. You already know how much I dislike fudging. I'm not criticizing an anti-fudging stance. I'm just deeply confused, because you have made such a strong and [I]absolute[/I] stance against anything interfering with, for lack of a better term, the "procedure engine" of the world. So to then not only back away from that--despite using its absoluteness [I]as[/I] the argument in more than one case--but to do so in a way that so casually says, "Yeah, DM can kinda do whatever they want" is just flabbergasting to me. It would be like if I, with my own absolute stance against fudging (I don't do it, I don't want any of my DMs to do it, and I argue against its use pretty much anywhere I talk about D&D stuff), said "but DMs can alter monster stats on the fly, that's fine." Like...that's no longer at all an absolute stance! You are, it seems, completely okay with people interfering with the procedure engine of the world, so long as it's done where you can't directly see it. [/QUOTE]
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