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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9549146" data-attributes="member: 29398">Ah.  I was thinking of it in terms of character power relative to the setting they exist in, as that had come up in a tangential "PCs are special" bit; and suggesting that while supers start out and remain crazy-powerful relative to the mundanes in their settings, D&D characters do (or at least should) instead start out not far removed - if at all - from their settings' mundanes or commoners.I've no idea what any of that math stuff means - I quite intentionally forgot all that the moment I finished passing the classes in high school - but it seems you're using the word "degenerate" as a neutral descriptor here rather than as a disparagement, where in nearly all other uses (including when used to describe anything in gaming) it's used as an insult.Two things to note here:1. From this, then, Atalanta and Odysseus might well fall into D&D-characters territory in that they started out as ordinary people and - due to what they did - became heroes.2. The tales of what they did have had 2000+ years to grow in the telling, just like fish get bigger every time you tell the story of how you caught one (or didn't).</blockquote>