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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9559417" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Many, many, many players do not react that way. Far too many to make it a general policy.I don't use instant-death lethal traps like that, so not a concern.It's shockingly effective! I don't have to deploy it often, but any time I do it's an immediate "...some reflection is in order."Okay. I don't have 40 years of personal experience. But I do have seven-ish, plus many more talking with others and trying to help them diagnose their issues, and have seen it far too many times to count. I have never seen a situation where this player behavior arose with absolutely no connection to the DM teaching them to engage in it.And, furthermore? People wouldn't complain about it all the time if DMs-in-general were perfectly happy with murderhoboism in their campaigns. The fact that it is probably the single most common complaint of actual, practicing DMs should be a pretty big clue that your position on the matter is, at the very least, nowhere near universal.As an aside, for folks who claim that my argumentation style implies universality or superiority, what on earth should I be interpreting this as?Whereas I--and plenty of other DMs--just don't find that experience enjoyable or worthwhile. Aren't you one of the folks claiming that the DM is supposed to have fun too?And for me, it's exactly the opposite. That's why it's a joke in my family (and I'm sure for many others) that, when players get into fisticuffs in any other sport, we say, "We came for a <sportsball game/match/etc.>, but a hockey match broke out!" The fact that hockey players stop engaging in the sport I'm actually there to watch, and start beating the everloving feces out of each other, is an annoying distraction from the actual purpose of the event, not an excellent alternative entertainment.As a fan, both are not equally entertaining and my take is if they want to fight, they shouldn't be hitting the ice.</blockquote>

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