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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5839441" data-attributes="member: 92305"><p>Most people would agree that an 80 year old can't do many of the tasks--especially the physical ones--that the same person could do at age 25. It's common sense. It's fact. And, your comments to the contrary are ridiculous.</p><p> </p><p>Do I believe that it's possible that an 80 year old could do something better than his 25 year old younger self? Sure. You bet. The world is full of contradictions.</p><p> </p><p>But, we're talking about the d20 system and how it includes the ageing process in the mechanics. You said the d20 handles ageing well. I said that you're crazy to say that backed it up with an example.</p><p> </p><p>Even a flat average human with all stats set at 10 will look like this at age 80.</p><p> </p><p>STR 4</p><p>DEX 4</p><p>CON 4</p><p>INT 13</p><p>WIS 13</p><p>CHR 13</p><p> </p><p>The physicals are probably about right (at least, they're getting there), but many (most?) 80 year olds get worse mentally, not more intelligent, wiser, and more charismatic!</p><p> </p><p>All sorts of diseases tend to set in, not to mention the fact that older (unfortunately) doesn't usually mean better.</p><p> </p><p>So, it really doesn't handle ageing that well. I accept it in the same way I accept a lot of things the d20 system doesn't model well (like going from fully healty at 1 HP to disabled at 0 HP and unconscious at -1 HP...what happens to things like "arm useless but still able to move and fight back as best as possible"?). But, because I accept it as a game doesn't mean I'm going to endorse the system as handling the situation well. I'm sure the d20 system could be tweaked to handle a lot of issues better than it does.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Don't confuse the arguments here.</p><p> </p><p>You and I were discussing the merits of the d20 system and how it deals with age. We didn't originally start discussing an argument that Age = Levels.</p><p> </p><p>As to Age = Levels, look at my last few posts above. I've gone over it a few times. It makes a lot of sense. Read those posts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5839441, member: 92305"] Most people would agree that an 80 year old can't do many of the tasks--especially the physical ones--that the same person could do at age 25. It's common sense. It's fact. And, your comments to the contrary are ridiculous. Do I believe that it's possible that an 80 year old could do something better than his 25 year old younger self? Sure. You bet. The world is full of contradictions. But, we're talking about the d20 system and how it includes the ageing process in the mechanics. You said the d20 handles ageing well. I said that you're crazy to say that backed it up with an example. Even a flat average human with all stats set at 10 will look like this at age 80. STR 4 DEX 4 CON 4 INT 13 WIS 13 CHR 13 The physicals are probably about right (at least, they're getting there), but many (most?) 80 year olds get worse mentally, not more intelligent, wiser, and more charismatic! All sorts of diseases tend to set in, not to mention the fact that older (unfortunately) doesn't usually mean better. So, it really doesn't handle ageing that well. I accept it in the same way I accept a lot of things the d20 system doesn't model well (like going from fully healty at 1 HP to disabled at 0 HP and unconscious at -1 HP...what happens to things like "arm useless but still able to move and fight back as best as possible"?). But, because I accept it as a game doesn't mean I'm going to endorse the system as handling the situation well. I'm sure the d20 system could be tweaked to handle a lot of issues better than it does. Don't confuse the arguments here. You and I were discussing the merits of the d20 system and how it deals with age. We didn't originally start discussing an argument that Age = Levels. As to Age = Levels, look at my last few posts above. I've gone over it a few times. It makes a lot of sense. Read those posts. [/QUOTE]
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