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How on earth is this balanced?! Twilight cleric, more in-play evidence
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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8330947" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Here's where you've made a few subtle mistakes that really work to make the twilight cleric look more impressive than it is. First and on the minor side I'd suggest cutting it down to three rounds. More importantly if each PC takes the same number of attacks during the battle then the monsters are being complete fools. You focus fire down one opponent wherever possible.</p><p></p><p>Let's pull a more common scenario - and pair a level 6 Twilight Cleric against their most obvious rival. A level 6 Cleric of Life. I'm not saying the Life cleric is <em>as </em>good as the Twilight one - but it's a lot closer than your analysis would suggest. Also the Twilight Cleric is far more front-loaded.</p><p></p><p>First, round 1 the life cleric contributes to damage. The Twilight Cleric doesn't. And the best way to prevent damage isn't put together an HP buffer - it's to prevent the enemy doing damage to you by putting them down. OK, being a cleric their damage output is probably half one of the other PCs - but damage matters and damage up front is far more important than damage in arrears. (Your Psychic Warrior of course is doing significant damage).</p><p></p><p>How much damage does the Twilight Cleric prevent on the focus fire target with their channel divinity? Simple - average 9.5 per round. In a three round fight that averages 28.5. Meanwhile the Life Cleric gets to heal 30 through their channel. So at this point the twilight cleric is mostly ahead thanks to protecting secondary targets. But the life cleric has done more damage. And that 9.5 damage per round? It's about the amount a life cleric can restore with Healing Word (1d4 + Wis (3 or 4) + 2 + level) plus three for themselves. And they can do this as a minor action. Meanwhile if the twilight cleric needs to healing word they do less healing of course. And reactive healing is more efficient thanks to hp below 0 not being counted. </p><p></p><p>The twilight cleric's channel is better but mostly against AoE spells and life is not what I'd call the strongest domain.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile the Psi Warrior should be able to eviscerate enemies. Two attacks per round, a fighting style, a better primary stat thanks to the extra ASI. By the end of round two the psychic warrior should have made at least four attacks, probably with a higher primary stat than the cleric.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying Twilight isn't OP - but it's not as OP as it looks unless the enemy is using AoE attacks</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8330947, member: 87792"] Here's where you've made a few subtle mistakes that really work to make the twilight cleric look more impressive than it is. First and on the minor side I'd suggest cutting it down to three rounds. More importantly if each PC takes the same number of attacks during the battle then the monsters are being complete fools. You focus fire down one opponent wherever possible. Let's pull a more common scenario - and pair a level 6 Twilight Cleric against their most obvious rival. A level 6 Cleric of Life. I'm not saying the Life cleric is [I]as [/I]good as the Twilight one - but it's a lot closer than your analysis would suggest. Also the Twilight Cleric is far more front-loaded. First, round 1 the life cleric contributes to damage. The Twilight Cleric doesn't. And the best way to prevent damage isn't put together an HP buffer - it's to prevent the enemy doing damage to you by putting them down. OK, being a cleric their damage output is probably half one of the other PCs - but damage matters and damage up front is far more important than damage in arrears. (Your Psychic Warrior of course is doing significant damage). How much damage does the Twilight Cleric prevent on the focus fire target with their channel divinity? Simple - average 9.5 per round. In a three round fight that averages 28.5. Meanwhile the Life Cleric gets to heal 30 through their channel. So at this point the twilight cleric is mostly ahead thanks to protecting secondary targets. But the life cleric has done more damage. And that 9.5 damage per round? It's about the amount a life cleric can restore with Healing Word (1d4 + Wis (3 or 4) + 2 + level) plus three for themselves. And they can do this as a minor action. Meanwhile if the twilight cleric needs to healing word they do less healing of course. And reactive healing is more efficient thanks to hp below 0 not being counted. The twilight cleric's channel is better but mostly against AoE spells and life is not what I'd call the strongest domain. Meanwhile the Psi Warrior should be able to eviscerate enemies. Two attacks per round, a fighting style, a better primary stat thanks to the extra ASI. By the end of round two the psychic warrior should have made at least four attacks, probably with a higher primary stat than the cleric. I'm not saying Twilight isn't OP - but it's not as OP as it looks unless the enemy is using AoE attacks [/QUOTE]
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