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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8589083" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Based on what I put in red I question whether or not you actually have play tested this. A monk of any level will average less than one burned legendary per round on a Dracolich.</p><p></p><p>I love stunning strike, but the chance of a 17th level Monk with a 20 dex and 20 wisdom using stunning strike to burn through legendaries on an adult Red Dracolich in one turn is 1.5%. That is using both FOB and Stunning strike. On average it will take 5 turns to burn through the dracolich's legendaries and almost half the time (45%) the 17th level Monk will run out of ki before the Dracolich runs out of legendaries.</p><p></p><p>If Monk does not use ki for FOB and only attacks 3 times a round then said Monk has a much better chance of the Dracolich running out of legendaries (81%) but he will average 6 turns to do it and the chance of doing it in 1 turn is closer to 0 than it is to 1%.</p><p></p><p>So the diviner is waiting on average 5-6 turns before he casts his "crowd pleaser" (assuming he even has an auto fail portent in his bag).</p><p></p><p>Note this is with the Monk having all his ki at the start of the fight and it is the chance of using up the three legendaries (3 fails turned to a success), but NOT stunning the dragon. Stunning the dragon takes a 4th failed save. That will average 8 turns without FOB and with FOB most of the time (70%) the Monk will run out of ki before he stuns the dragon. The chance to actually <u>stun</u> the Dracolich in one turn with FOB and stunning strike is approximately 1 in 1500.</p><p></p><p>Now to put this in perspective relevant to the discussion at hand - Going with the 5-turn number above, and assuming the dragon for some reason chooses not to breathe - the 17th level twilight cleric would have given the Monk 103 temp hps in the time it takes him to land his third failed save and considering his 20AC and partial cover from TS; the Dracolich would have dealt the Monk 267 points of damage on average before he is out of legendaries.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand if said twilight Cleric used a different Channel Divinity - turn undead - to help the monk drain legendaries, then he would drop the average time it takes to run the dragon out of legendaries from 5 turns to 4 turns, and boost the chance of doing it in 1 turn from 1.5% to 9%.</p><p></p><p>Certainly magic items could boost the Monk's numbers some, but not to the point that it will happen in 1 turn ... or even 3 turns.</p><p></p><p> I also need to emphasize I am talking about an <u>adult</u> Dracolich here, not an ancient one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8589083, member: 7030563"] Based on what I put in red I question whether or not you actually have play tested this. A monk of any level will average less than one burned legendary per round on a Dracolich. I love stunning strike, but the chance of a 17th level Monk with a 20 dex and 20 wisdom using stunning strike to burn through legendaries on an adult Red Dracolich in one turn is 1.5%. That is using both FOB and Stunning strike. On average it will take 5 turns to burn through the dracolich's legendaries and almost half the time (45%) the 17th level Monk will run out of ki before the Dracolich runs out of legendaries. If Monk does not use ki for FOB and only attacks 3 times a round then said Monk has a much better chance of the Dracolich running out of legendaries (81%) but he will average 6 turns to do it and the chance of doing it in 1 turn is closer to 0 than it is to 1%. So the diviner is waiting on average 5-6 turns before he casts his "crowd pleaser" (assuming he even has an auto fail portent in his bag). Note this is with the Monk having all his ki at the start of the fight and it is the chance of using up the three legendaries (3 fails turned to a success), but NOT stunning the dragon. Stunning the dragon takes a 4th failed save. That will average 8 turns without FOB and with FOB most of the time (70%) the Monk will run out of ki before he stuns the dragon. The chance to actually [U]stun[/U] the Dracolich in one turn with FOB and stunning strike is approximately 1 in 1500. Now to put this in perspective relevant to the discussion at hand - Going with the 5-turn number above, and assuming the dragon for some reason chooses not to breathe - the 17th level twilight cleric would have given the Monk 103 temp hps in the time it takes him to land his third failed save and considering his 20AC and partial cover from TS; the Dracolich would have dealt the Monk 267 points of damage on average before he is out of legendaries. On the other hand if said twilight Cleric used a different Channel Divinity - turn undead - to help the monk drain legendaries, then he would drop the average time it takes to run the dragon out of legendaries from 5 turns to 4 turns, and boost the chance of doing it in 1 turn from 1.5% to 9%. Certainly magic items could boost the Monk's numbers some, but not to the point that it will happen in 1 turn ... or even 3 turns. I also need to emphasize I am talking about an [U]adult[/U] Dracolich here, not an ancient one. [/QUOTE]
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