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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1246081" data-attributes="member: 707">Well, even with a whip-dagger as opposed to an ordinary whip, it doesn't threaten...at all.  My bard uses the whip-dagger as his preferred weapon (I've never played a whip-wielder before, so I thought I'd go with it,) and wears a spiked gauntlet for AoOs.  Plus he plans on picking up a rapier later.  Bottom line: he still needs to be up close and personal to flank.You know, I didn't even realize that this spell was on the Bard list until you mentioned it.  Currently I have Alter Self, Glitterdust, and Invisibility as my 2nd level spells, but I'm definitely going to pick up Mirror Image the first opportunity I get.  One bonus to being a bard is that even though my spell levels rise slowly, my caster level is still good, so it should provide some serious protection. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Good advice.  That'd let the rogue get his full round of sneak attacks in.  I also have Cure Light Wounds as a 1st level spell, so instead of springing out, I could Tumble out, then heal myself up some, allowing me to take a bit more beating when I go back in.The rogue is a lightly armored human, actually.  I'm not sure about his levels, since the group I'm in likes to keep stats/levels and such secret.  Rogue/Fighter or Rogue/Ranger, I figure.True, but I'm trying to maintain at least the fiction of doing damage. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  Besides, he's more of a swashbuckler than anything, so the longspear (the only reach weapon he's proficient with, I believe) doesn't quite fit his character.We do have a wizard, though I'm not sure if he has summon monster spells learned or not.  We have a druid who summons critters, and when he does summon critters, they do help provide flanking for the rogue.  But he doesn't really summon critters just to flank for the rogue.Also, to clarify, the group does flank for the rogue.  Our group is good about strategic combat, especially the rogue's player himself.  But there are times when that's just not possible, for whatever reasons.  So I'm trying to have a strategy figured out so I can fill in, when the others can't, not because they won't.Aw, shucks.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />   Thanks for the comments, guys, but I'm really just trying to have the most fun with my character, rather than sacrificing him for the group.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  I'm finding that with a bard, the best way to enjoy yourself is to facilitate the heck out of things.  In our last session we stormed a lair of orcs.  I only managed 1 kill, but I had over a dozen assists. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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