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<blockquote data-quote="Krieg" data-source="post: 1971456" data-attributes="member: 5282">Where exactly are you getting your information that it merely claims to be all the rules players only need to play?The following quotes are from Troll Lord's website:Where exactly does it state that it only has the rules for players?Hmmm...Nope no appeals to nostalgia there.&nbsp; :\ While I don't really agree with Joshua's criticisms I wish that C&amp;C's self appointed proselytizers would be a bit less disingenuous.From the beginning C&amp;C's designers have stated that it is primarily targeted for the OD&amp;D/AD&amp;D players who felt that 3.x was needlessly complex. Yes nostalgia for the &quot;old days&quot; is a large part of that demographic.That is not necessarily a bad thing, it does not mean that the &quot;new&quot; D&amp;D is better nor does it mean that the &quot;old&quot; D&amp;D's only value is nostalgia. Virtually every advertizing blurb for C&amp;C has implied that it is a complete RPG in and of itself.&nbsp; While that is probably more a bit of poorly worded advertizing on the part of Troll Lords rather than intentional deception, it is an undeniable fact. That does not mean that it is a non viable game nor does it mean that Troll Lords failed in their mission.The Orthodoxy wars get really old after awhile.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Krieg, post: 1971456, member: 5282"] Where exactly are you getting your information that it merely claims to be all the rules [b]players only[/b] need to play? The following quotes are from Troll Lord's website: Where [i]exactly[/i] does it state that it only has the rules for players? Hmmm... Nope no appeals to nostalgia there. :\ While I don't really agree with Joshua's criticisms I wish that C&C's self appointed proselytizers would be a bit less disingenuous. From the beginning C&C's designers have stated that it is primarily targeted for the OD&D/AD&D players who felt that 3.x was needlessly complex. Yes nostalgia for the "old days" is a large part of that demographic. That is not necessarily a bad thing, it does not mean that the "new" D&D is better nor does it mean that the "old" D&D's only value is nostalgia. Virtually every advertizing blurb for C&C has implied that it is a complete RPG in and of itself. While that is probably more a bit of poorly worded advertizing on the part of Troll Lords rather than intentional deception, it is an undeniable fact. That does not mean that it is a non viable game nor does it mean that Troll Lords failed in their mission. The Orthodoxy wars get really old after awhile. [/QUOTE]

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