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<blockquote data-quote="andargor" data-source="post: 1682398" data-attributes="member: 7231"><p>That's the part I didn't comment on too much in my last post, as the exact nature of the <em>Mansion</em> is not clear by the spells description.</p><p></p><p>What's clear:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's an extradimensional space</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A portal is necessary to access it (and hence represents extradimensional travel which can be blocked with <em>Dimensional Lock</em> and <em>Forbiddance</em>)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Only designated creatures can enter the portal</li> </ul><p></p><p>What's less clear:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is it a temporary demiplane?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does the phrase "Since the place can be entered only through its special portal" imply that planar travel to the <em>Mansion</em> is impossible?</li> </ul><p></p><p>I'm comfortable with my assertions for the first part, but for the second part I can only give my opinion according to the RAW. Much depends on the cosmology designed by the DM.</p><p></p><p>And my opinion is that it is a temporary demiplane (according to the Planes section description of a demiplane), and the specific phrase (which fully reads "Since the place can be entered only through its special portal, outside conditions do not affect the mansion, nor do conditions inside it pass to the plane beyond") is intended to prevent spell effects, such as <em>Fireball</em>, from spilling into the <em>Mansion</em> through the portal.</p><p></p><p>IMHO, all this does not prevent spells that cross Planes from functioning within or into the <em>Mansion</em>, if the location of the demiplane is known (such as <em>Scrying</em> or <em>Plane Shift</em>). And I base my opinion on the description of <em>Genesis</em>, which like many 9th level spells is the most powerful of the "series" (like <em>Alter Self</em> -> <em>Polymorph</em> etc. -> <em>Shapechange</em>), and which describes in more detail the fact that there is a portal and that it is a true permanent demiplane.</p><p></p><p>In the demiplane description, "limited access" is mentionned but not explained anywhere. I personally would allow travel by other means than the <em>Mansion</em>'s portal (since that is clearly defined as being limited access), but a DM could rule that it is a special demiplane and that only Divine creatures may use planar travel to reach it.</p><p></p><p>My 0.02 cp.</p><p></p><p>Andargor</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="andargor, post: 1682398, member: 7231"] That's the part I didn't comment on too much in my last post, as the exact nature of the [i]Mansion[/i] is not clear by the spells description. What's clear: [list] [*]It's an extradimensional space [*]A portal is necessary to access it (and hence represents extradimensional travel which can be blocked with [i]Dimensional Lock[/i] and [i]Forbiddance[/i]) [*]Only designated creatures can enter the portal [/list] What's less clear: [list] [*]Is it a temporary demiplane? [*]Does the phrase "Since the place can be entered only through its special portal" imply that planar travel to the [i]Mansion[/i] is impossible? [/list] I'm comfortable with my assertions for the first part, but for the second part I can only give my opinion according to the RAW. Much depends on the cosmology designed by the DM. And my opinion is that it is a temporary demiplane (according to the Planes section description of a demiplane), and the specific phrase (which fully reads "Since the place can be entered only through its special portal, outside conditions do not affect the mansion, nor do conditions inside it pass to the plane beyond") is intended to prevent spell effects, such as [i]Fireball[/i], from spilling into the [i]Mansion[/i] through the portal. IMHO, all this does not prevent spells that cross Planes from functioning within or into the [i]Mansion[/i], if the location of the demiplane is known (such as [i]Scrying[/i] or [i]Plane Shift[/i]). And I base my opinion on the description of [i]Genesis[/i], which like many 9th level spells is the most powerful of the "series" (like [i]Alter Self[/i] -> [i]Polymorph[/i] etc. -> [i]Shapechange[/i]), and which describes in more detail the fact that there is a portal and that it is a true permanent demiplane. In the demiplane description, "limited access" is mentionned but not explained anywhere. I personally would allow travel by other means than the [i]Mansion[/i]'s portal (since that is clearly defined as being limited access), but a DM could rule that it is a special demiplane and that only Divine creatures may use planar travel to reach it. My 0.02 cp. Andargor [/QUOTE]
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