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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8026247" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>There have been a few different answers given. </p><p></p><p>1) These works are generally being written about cultures that we have a stake in, and so it is sort of "playing with your own toys"</p><p></p><p>2) "Western" cultures have had a history of being the top dogs of the world for a while now, meaning there is an implicit power imbalance in the portrayals. </p><p></p><p>3) Things can be done well, and respectfully, while still being tropey. This isn't a call to never use any trope ever, or to be perfectly accurate, but while it is generally accepted that most european nations had Knights at some point, Samurai were distinctly Japanese, and Korea and Vietnam often get lumped in with China and Japan like those two are the only cultures in the area, despite them having their own rich histories that are being ignored and pushed aside, attributing them to other places. </p><p></p><p>I'm not a sensitivity reader, but my gut says that a lot of this stuff is fine, but we really need to go forward more mindful and respectful in the future. And we will likely get some much better material to work with if we do so.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I might be missing a lot of context, but I don't see a lot of the Holocaust in what this Lich King is doing. Slavery and Work Camps is pretty standard evil, and the Lich King is forcing "all who oppose him" into the camps, which is a big difference between the "ethnic cleansing" style of evil that the Holocaust was. </p><p></p><p>So, I think that story actually ends up being fine. </p><p></p><p>And, I think this is the part of "being mindful" and "hiring sensitivity readers" that people miss in their reactions. Not everything is going to be found offensive. Not every trope is going to be deemed offensive. Some of them are just meh. For example, no one has an issue with "The Knight in Shining Armor" trope. But, part of that is because we all recognize that it is a trope, that it isn't a real thing. But we don't have that knowledge for a lot of other tropes that exist about other places, which is where trouble can start</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8026247, member: 6801228"] There have been a few different answers given. 1) These works are generally being written about cultures that we have a stake in, and so it is sort of "playing with your own toys" 2) "Western" cultures have had a history of being the top dogs of the world for a while now, meaning there is an implicit power imbalance in the portrayals. 3) Things can be done well, and respectfully, while still being tropey. This isn't a call to never use any trope ever, or to be perfectly accurate, but while it is generally accepted that most european nations had Knights at some point, Samurai were distinctly Japanese, and Korea and Vietnam often get lumped in with China and Japan like those two are the only cultures in the area, despite them having their own rich histories that are being ignored and pushed aside, attributing them to other places. I'm not a sensitivity reader, but my gut says that a lot of this stuff is fine, but we really need to go forward more mindful and respectful in the future. And we will likely get some much better material to work with if we do so. I might be missing a lot of context, but I don't see a lot of the Holocaust in what this Lich King is doing. Slavery and Work Camps is pretty standard evil, and the Lich King is forcing "all who oppose him" into the camps, which is a big difference between the "ethnic cleansing" style of evil that the Holocaust was. So, I think that story actually ends up being fine. And, I think this is the part of "being mindful" and "hiring sensitivity readers" that people miss in their reactions. Not everything is going to be found offensive. Not every trope is going to be deemed offensive. Some of them are just meh. For example, no one has an issue with "The Knight in Shining Armor" trope. But, part of that is because we all recognize that it is a trope, that it isn't a real thing. But we don't have that knowledge for a lot of other tropes that exist about other places, which is where trouble can start [/QUOTE]
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