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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8026407" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Counterpoint: Yes they should, and no amount of "missing" them justifies them being full classes.</p><p></p><p>All of them fit very well inside subclasses in 5E. In the original OA, the only justification for their existing as separate classes was that it was 1E, and 1E didn't have a mechanical option that allowed for proper subclasses. In 2E, they had Kits, and that moved all of them to being Kits, which made sense. Since then, every edition has had a suitable mechanical vehicle. In 5E, it is subclass. Samurai is indeed close enough to a broader archetype of "educated courtly warrior" (which occurs in countless cultures, including some Western ones) that it probably shouldn't even be called Samurai as a subclass (we've had this discussion at some length in another thread, I believe - someone came up with a killer suggestion but I forget what it was).</p><p></p><p>Ninjas do deserve a subclass, but only for "ninja magic". Sohei doesn't even need to be a subclass. It's just a Cleric RP'd in a specific way in 5E terms.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The issue here is, I think one of "crying wolf". People haven't "cried wolf" on private censorship being a "huge problem" once or twice. Or dozens of times, or even hundreds of times. They're in fact constantly "crying wolf" every day, all over the internet. And you can say "ignore them, they're idiots!" and I do, and they are, but it means that an actual discussion on private censorship and any real problems it entails is vulnerable to being derailed into specific discussions of extremely reasonable "censorship" which had the full consent of the artist being "censored", yet are we, we are told, "inherently wrong".</p><p></p><p>Also, the primary opposition to government regulation of, I dunno, virtually any industry in any country will always be that industry itself. So the idea that it is ever a realistic option seems far-fetched. And if it's not the government, it's not really going to be possible to challenge in court.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8026407, member: 18"] Counterpoint: Yes they should, and no amount of "missing" them justifies them being full classes. All of them fit very well inside subclasses in 5E. In the original OA, the only justification for their existing as separate classes was that it was 1E, and 1E didn't have a mechanical option that allowed for proper subclasses. In 2E, they had Kits, and that moved all of them to being Kits, which made sense. Since then, every edition has had a suitable mechanical vehicle. In 5E, it is subclass. Samurai is indeed close enough to a broader archetype of "educated courtly warrior" (which occurs in countless cultures, including some Western ones) that it probably shouldn't even be called Samurai as a subclass (we've had this discussion at some length in another thread, I believe - someone came up with a killer suggestion but I forget what it was). Ninjas do deserve a subclass, but only for "ninja magic". Sohei doesn't even need to be a subclass. It's just a Cleric RP'd in a specific way in 5E terms. The issue here is, I think one of "crying wolf". People haven't "cried wolf" on private censorship being a "huge problem" once or twice. Or dozens of times, or even hundreds of times. They're in fact constantly "crying wolf" every day, all over the internet. And you can say "ignore them, they're idiots!" and I do, and they are, but it means that an actual discussion on private censorship and any real problems it entails is vulnerable to being derailed into specific discussions of extremely reasonable "censorship" which had the full consent of the artist being "censored", yet are we, we are told, "inherently wrong". Also, the primary opposition to government regulation of, I dunno, virtually any industry in any country will always be that industry itself. So the idea that it is ever a realistic option seems far-fetched. And if it's not the government, it's not really going to be possible to challenge in court. [/QUOTE]
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