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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8026468" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Obviously a matter of opinion. But with how 5e is designed with classes and subclasses, it's like the ruleset was designed just for a ninja. No other "occupation' has a key feature of pretending to be another class, since being a ninja is supposed to be secret, thematically. Since we know there are at least 3 specialties within a ninja class (not just D&D history, but actual historical lore), it makes perfect sense to have a core ninja class with a subclass of warrior, spy, and mage. You simply cannot capture the ninja concept in 5e unless you multiclass or use different classes. Shadow monk for traditional stealer-in. But a warrior ninja? Maybe a fighter/assassin. Arcane ninja? Arcane trickster rogue will have to do. Etc.</p><p></p><p>Every other major archetype gets a full class. IMO, the only reason we didn't 'see a full ninja class in the PHB was because they wanted to keep it eurocentric and if you had a full ninja, you'd have to address a lot more east Asian themes as well. I think they were saving that for later. <em>Not </em>that there wasn't justification to have a mechanically unique ninja class.</p><p></p><p>If you can't capture the most popular and well known representations of ninja without having a dedicated class and subclasses for those representations, then that's the best reason for it's justification. It's the same justification for every other class. In fact, some classes don't even meet that standard and still have their own class. So that begs the question, if that's not enough for justification, what is? And why does every other class meet it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8026468, member: 15700"] Obviously a matter of opinion. But with how 5e is designed with classes and subclasses, it's like the ruleset was designed just for a ninja. No other "occupation' has a key feature of pretending to be another class, since being a ninja is supposed to be secret, thematically. Since we know there are at least 3 specialties within a ninja class (not just D&D history, but actual historical lore), it makes perfect sense to have a core ninja class with a subclass of warrior, spy, and mage. You simply cannot capture the ninja concept in 5e unless you multiclass or use different classes. Shadow monk for traditional stealer-in. But a warrior ninja? Maybe a fighter/assassin. Arcane ninja? Arcane trickster rogue will have to do. Etc. Every other major archetype gets a full class. IMO, the only reason we didn't 'see a full ninja class in the PHB was because they wanted to keep it eurocentric and if you had a full ninja, you'd have to address a lot more east Asian themes as well. I think they were saving that for later. [I]Not [/I]that there wasn't justification to have a mechanically unique ninja class. If you can't capture the most popular and well known representations of ninja without having a dedicated class and subclasses for those representations, then that's the best reason for it's justification. It's the same justification for every other class. In fact, some classes don't even meet that standard and still have their own class. So that begs the question, if that's not enough for justification, what is? And why does every other class meet it? [/QUOTE]
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