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<blockquote data-quote="Stormonu" data-source="post: 5932028" data-attributes="member: 52734">I think there should be a basic level of proficiency for anyone to try maneuvers like bull rush, tackle, trip, disarm, sunder, sap, grapple and all of that.&nbsp; At the most basic level, I think I'd like to see it be an attack at no penalty, but you only perform the maneuver, not damage.&nbsp; An &quot;either-or&quot; basic solution - you can add on riders as the PCs get more experienced.I wouldn't mind classes have &quot;preferred&quot; special maneuvers that they can get easier access to or can perform easier.&nbsp; For example, a monk having an easier time with trips or grapples, rogues getting a hamstring or sap maneuver and fighters being able to run with bull rush, disarms and sunders easier than others.Beyond that, a few options to allow certain characters to &quot;get fancy&quot; with certain attacks.&nbsp; I think at best PCs should be able to bring these types of attacks up to par but I'm not sure I want them to be able to bring them up to a skill level where, say, with every attack the fighter is tripping his foe AND dealing full damage as well.Perhaps a &quot;degrees of success&quot; thing - hit AC to AC +4, perform manuever only.&nbsp; Hit AC +5 to AC +9, perform manuever and deal 1/2 damage.&nbsp; Hit AC +10 or more, perform manuever and deal full damage.&nbsp; (If AC numbers are flattened, perhaps instead tie it to &quot;Hit Dice&quot;, hit points or some other factor)&nbsp; This would allow an attacker to at least try maneuvers against competent opponents, and against inferior foes really put the sting on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stormonu, post: 5932028, member: 52734"] I think there should be a basic level of proficiency for anyone to try maneuvers like bull rush, tackle, trip, disarm, sunder, sap, grapple and all of that. At the most basic level, I think I'd like to see it be an attack at no penalty, but you only perform the maneuver, not damage. An "either-or" basic solution - you can add on riders as the PCs get more experienced. I wouldn't mind classes have "preferred" special maneuvers that they can get easier access to or can perform easier. For example, a monk having an easier time with trips or grapples, rogues getting a hamstring or sap maneuver and fighters being able to run with bull rush, disarms and sunders easier than others. Beyond that, a few options to allow certain characters to "get fancy" with certain attacks. I think at best PCs should be able to bring these types of attacks up to par but I'm not sure I want them to be able to bring them up to a skill level where, say, with [I]every[/I] attack the fighter is tripping his foe AND dealing full damage as well. Perhaps a "degrees of success" thing - hit AC to AC +4, perform manuever only. Hit AC +5 to AC +9, perform manuever and deal 1/2 damage. Hit AC +10 or more, perform manuever and deal full damage. (If AC numbers are flattened, perhaps instead tie it to "Hit Dice", hit points or some other factor) This would allow an attacker to at least try maneuvers against competent opponents, and against inferior foes really put the sting on. [/QUOTE]

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