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<blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 5939744" data-attributes="member: 2723">There's no parallel between different stats and members of the same race losing their racial abilities. Elf commoners don't lose low-light vision just because they're commoners. That's not an ability solely restricted to &quot;Adventurer Elves.&quot; Why should human racials only be restricted to a subset of humans? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You're conflating stat arrays with racial abilities. The average stats for dwarf commoners in 3E was 10-10-11-10-10-9, but that doesn't mean that those dwarf commoners lost all their dwarf racial abilities, or didn't benefit from dwarf racial stat bonuses. Likewise, human commoners shouldn't lose out on bonus feats, bonus skills points, or even stat bonuses just because they're commoners. What separates them from adventurers, aside from having generally poorer stats, is that they don't use those bonus feats, skills, or whatever for things that'll make them better adventurers. They use them for things that'll make them better farmers, or basket weavers, or blacksmiths.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Green Knight, post: 5939744, member: 2723"] There's no parallel between different stats and members of the same race losing their racial abilities. Elf commoners don't lose low-light vision just because they're commoners. That's not an ability solely restricted to "Adventurer Elves." Why should human racials only be restricted to a subset of humans? You're conflating stat arrays with racial abilities. The average stats for dwarf commoners in 3E was 10-10-11-10-10-9, but that doesn't mean that those dwarf commoners lost all their dwarf racial abilities, or didn't benefit from dwarf racial stat bonuses. Likewise, human commoners shouldn't lose out on bonus feats, bonus skills points, or even stat bonuses just because they're commoners. What separates them from adventurers, aside from having generally poorer stats, is that they don't use those bonus feats, skills, or whatever for things that'll make them better adventurers. They use them for things that'll make them better farmers, or basket weavers, or blacksmiths. [/QUOTE]

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